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Also, obviously there will be people who have kids, get new jobs or whatever and cant go but thats not something unique to this club nor is it one way as there will always be a churn of fans who cant go and ones who potentially now can go.

To be fair, Steve Kean was made a manager, Owen Coyle has had loads of jobs, we at one stage had Chris Brown and Luke Varney in the same squad, just because professionals in the industry see value in it doesnt necessarily make it fit for purpose! Regarding the point about podcasts or the media in general, I still think that it is often used poorly. You would never really have heard previously that a team could not sustainably perform beyond its possession stats or beyond the level of shots on targets. I feel that xG is regularly used as a massively flawed and inferior substitute to watching games to try and seem really informed in what they say about the whole league. I dont doubt that data has its uses but the key to all data is the person using it and how it is used. You could easily look at our xG being low without watching our games and presume that we are lucky, and whilst I dont think that our performance level has been particularly great, I having watched our games would think of 3 things straight away that contribute to that. We have a striker as ruthless as any in the league, that isnt a temporary thing, he will continue to outperform his xG if fit. We have one of the better goalkeepers in the league too, same logic. And we have gone ahead in 10/17 games, so nearly 60%, I think in 9 we scored in the first half and quite a few particularly early, so we have been content to sit in.

I bet Gallagher gets a few just by often standing at the near post on corners too, Even assuming that the data across these players careers is accurate, like with a lot of data, limited in usefulness.

So you take every single thing at face value, glass half full, served you well for 20 years etc. Until it comes down to Dack, you want to see the data for that...

What sort of logic is that?! Preston don't subsidise their tickets as a strategic decision as opposed to investing in their squad! A club is always trying to strike the perfect balance between quantity and price. Using rounded figures as an example and factoring in concessions with my averages. If we sell 8000 season tickets at an average of £300, that is £2.4m, say Preston's is £250, they would need to sell 9600 tickets, so not that many more. Anything more is profit, not before factoring in the potential to sell further season tickets in the future to those additional fans, as well as additional match day sales in the ground on food/drink etc. @chaddyrovers see above. Absolutely warped logic to not appreciate that lower prices means higher numbers of sales and can potentially generate more income, directly and indirectly.

I don't think that anyone has implied that he has been missed in the last 3 wins, obviously not. The point is that he is a very good Championship player that many feel could have plenty of use across the rest of the season.

The fact that there is a team within half an hour distance away with much bigger attendances at the moment and much lower prices, without the excitement of a new manager, and that is being dismissed as not relevant suggests that there will never be an acknowledgement from chaddy that the numbers are piss poor here.

Yeah Scholes has come out and said that the theory that he retired from England because of where he was played is totally untrue. He thought that Sven should have dropped him for his poor performances and suggested that he quite liked playing from the left because he had more space.

You can't judge a player in pre-season either, purely fitness exercises, cobbled together teams with constant changes played at a really slow pace. Travis shouldn't be at right back/right wing back either, his performance there v Bristol City was as bad a performance as anyone has put in all season, just above Vale at Reading, he isn't suited to playing there and as a wing back, he would not be suitable defensively or offensively in that role. We left ourselves short in both full back positions in the summer, but surely Carter is the natural alternative having played there before? He can't attack so the question then is do you go to a back 4 or just stick with a very defensive back 5?

I have loads of reservations about it for many reasons, but one thing I am sure of is it is that its general usage seems totally not fit for purpose. In the media especially on podcasts, in the absence of anyone having the time to watch every team in the Championship, xG figures are used as a direct barometer of performance, which is a load of rubbish. This idea that teams will revert roughly to their current xG levels is a load of nonsense by people trying to sound well educated about every team. Over the last 18 months, we have scored well in advance of our xG mainly because of Brereton, he will score more goals with the same chances compared to basically any other forward in the league. It also doesn't factor in teams taking a lead and how a game totally changes from there on in, we have taken 10 leads, so naturally 10/17 times, our opponent has then had an onus to get back into the game, One good use that surely could come from it is judging the performance of individual strikers, its not even about luck IMO.

Out of interest chaddy, you are very keen to dismiss anyone who holds any cynicism towards anything that a player/manager etc says, why would they lie is your usual go to line. It was said the other day by Dack via Mowbray that his fitness numbers are better than they were pre-injury. Do you not think that maybe he does have the fitness based on that to play for us?

Elliott isn't top level, at crucial moments he tends to be let down by getting the ball stuck under his feet or playing the easy pass.

Well yes, you are defending Hirst's inability to score in over 40 games at this level in which most have been sub appearances, but when it comes to Dack, you say "does that matter." I never said that we have missed Dack as we clearly haven't over the last 3 games. In all 3 games however, we scored first, and we won't in every game this season. If we go a goal down and need a spark off the bench, and bare in mind that we have lost in all 7 games that we have conceded first. Then Dack is more likely to score or assist than Hirst or Vale.

Travis is awful as a right back.

Carrick a bit of a strange appointment, but god knows why Woodgate is back, maybe a sympathy vote. "He knows the club!" Deary me, he does indeed having failed as a manager there very recently, bizarre logic. Surely they want a new perspective.

Bowyer was here too long then as you said they appointed Lambert who was not only shit but also left soon after due to broken promises.

He still has a place for me, 100%. He has natural ability, a goal threat and a bit of magic that no one else in our squad has. Even if at the moment he isn't starting games, you can't tell me that you'd rather bring on the likes of Vale, Hirst and Dolan if we need a bit of quality.

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Do you realise the hypocrisy of this? Dack has mainly been a sub.

Adam Wharton surely deserves a start, him Travis and Morton would be the midfield 3 for me. We have 2 dependable full/wing backs on either side but very little in the way of alternatives, Hedges is a good player but he isn't a wing back, but the fact that he is the alternative says a lot, with the other alternatives being centre backs. If both Brittain and Hedges miss out then we have a big problem. Do we go with a back 4 and Carter at right back, or do we put Buckley at wing back?

My point is in general, as and when we need a goal, if you are Tomasson and you look at the bench on which Dack, Hirst and Vale sit. Who is your first sub?

You don't have to be a total echo chamber for every word that JDT utters.

For a start, they haven't bothered to come over in years and years despite saying so. Mowbray was allowed to see out his contract because he did as he was told. Bowyer outstayed his welcome too for the same reason, not based on merit.

I hope he does prove me wrong, nobody would be more happy than me. It is pretty telling that the highlight so far was a shot saved by the keeper, mentioned more than once. Carter and Wharton did well out on loan and it was a sign that they could do well for our first team, Vale didn't so in the interest of balance it is still worth noting that he struggled, maybe it is a sign.

What? My point was responding to rigger who implied that people moan about contracts either way, I said that it depends on the player, we should ideally only hand contracts to ones of value to us. The departees last year all have value, as do the likes of Wharton and Phillips for whom their deals were met with widespread praise. Vale seemingly has more doubters hence why the reaction is not as warm.