roversfan99

Against Blackpool he showed good attributes but also looked very raw. He was quick and powerful driving forward but when he got into dangerous positions he really struggled with knowing what to do next. Defensively he had little to do. Probably could do with another loan just to show he is capable of playing regular football after suffering injuries on his loan this season.

Would it not be easier to just say rather than being evasive and cryptic? I genuinely have not seen and dont know where you have said this. I get why you might think they shouldnt have sacked them, I cant fathom why it would cause you to want them to be relegated.

Why did you wish Watford relegated? A bit beyond merely offering an opinion.

I think to specifically lay out objectives of certain minutes played is the issue though. If it was a case of try and bring graduates through where possible, but its flexible, then theres less risk that we start bringing through kids that arent ready purely to hit the objective. We will have years where there are talented players ready to feature like Wharton and Phillips, but also dry spells. The issue is the likes of Vale, Garrett and even the amount of game time Leonard got were as a result of the inadequacies of the squad and budget, not because they justified those minutes. For example, we wouldnt have needed an objective in place to blood Wharton and Phillips as they were justifiably part of the team/squad.

I get the Selles one less than the Cleverley one. With Watford, they arent in danger of relegation barring something catastrophic but par for them isnt necessarily top 6. Their aim though like many (including us, and we keep fucking this up by forcing talented managers out) should be to get into the top 6 because below the usual 2 or 3 parachute teams that steamroll the division, there is always an opportunity. To get there, your best bet is a really good manager/head coach who gets a team playing beyond the sum of its parts, so its worth gambling if you dont feel the current manager can do that. No idea who their new appointment is or if he fits the bill, but its a fair assumption that Cleverley wasnt capable of overachieving. Their record in the second half of the season was the worst in the division. With Hull, even factoring in debate as to whether they should or shouldnt have sacked Rosenior, perhaps not, but still the main reason for their decline was the massive decline in playing squad. They sold key players including Philogene and Greaves and lost a number of expensive loans last summer including Carvalho and Zaraoury. He managed to keep them up which was the aim (although only by the skin of their teeth). That being said, I cant fathom why anyone who isnt a fan of either would get angry (and potentially wish them to be relegated) as a result. Why would we have such a vested interest. Even before considering the hypocrisy after wanting a managerial change here after a month.

Even if they dont actually use him themselves, the link ensures that similar to the many, many other players that their umbrella of clubs have signed, if he goes on and becomes worth big money theyve got first refusal on the value he will generate in the market.

But its not much of a competition if the champions and all 3 relegation spots are sorted with weeks and months to spare.

If Garrett was ready last season, why did we not keep him this season, and why did a League 1 and then a League 2 side not play him? If Vale was ready, then why has he not got a sniff since and has just been shunted out on loans were he has barely done anything? Im all for graduates being given game time when they are ready. See Wharton and Phillips as examples. Im not all for them being used when they arent ready simply because its cheaper to do that than actually sufficiently bolster the squad in the transfer market because our owners are so desperate to cut costs.

Every graduate who has played has been ready to play because er...they played. Talk about naivety. Eustace didnt play the youngsters because he deemed them not to be ready. I suspect that Ismael starts giving loads of minutes to youngsters, it might be as much because hes been told to or because hes not been allowed to bring in as many players as he would have liked.

If you have to discount the 2 parts of the table that really matter though, drab is a fair analysis.

Another common theme that only widens the gap between Premier League and Championship is that teams seem to end up weaker, losing big players. Sheffield United lost Ndiaye and Leicester Dewsbury Hall due to financial red tape and Burnley now to a sadly ever more common murky multi club ownership situation. Big clubs monopolising talent all to themselves. Obviously funny in this case.

He doesnt have the ability to question anything the club does. Therefore he cant fathom that a fourth division german player signed for peanuts wasnt the striker that Tomasson had in mind, wouldnt have been the striker he chose had the budgets not been slashed to uncompetitive levels and that the subsequent overreliance on academy graduates who werent ready was essentially down to finances rather than part of a well structured "footballing plan."

So youve enjoyed a Premier League season whereby the title and the bottom 3 places were sorted well before the end of the season? The promoted teams cant afford to buy enough Premier League standard players to bridge the gap such is the inequality caused by the money at the top.

I am obviously not against giving the youngsters game if they are ready. I am against setting arbitary targets for minutes played as that encourages playing them whether they are ready or not. As has been the case with some of the players (in those years that we did hit these stupid targets) that did play that werent ready to do so. Garrett, Vale, Leonard etc. It cuts the cost because it means we sign less players expecting kids to make up the numbers. If Suhail, Waggott, Gestede or Sufi said the sky was green you would believe them.

JDT spent much of his time publically calling out the owners because when he called for an actual competent striker, he wasnt given one, just a crap freebie from Plymouth, a german 4th division player and a rubbish loanee. Hence why he had no other option but to play Vale and Leonard. He had no alternative but to use the likes of Garrett and Markanday too. That weirdly was the season we may have hit these stupid targets but also the one we slid down into relegation danger and he got so pissed off he walked. This is why communication is so important from the clubs perspective. They can talk any old shite and some will swallow it up. There were 2 reasons why we hit those targets a year or 2 ago. One was that we had two talents capable of playing Championship football at such a young age purely on merit, one exceptional one in particular. The other was because cut backs meant that we didnt have enough players not to fill the squad full of graduates even though most werent ready. If you genuinely believe in a "footballing plan" here then you must have lived under a rock for a number of years. Its purely a plan of cutting costs glamorised to appear to have the best interests of the team in mind. Padding out the squad with kids means you dont have to sign as many. Who cares if they are all ready to play.

The problem is that when sky repeatedly say the best league in the world, those lacking critical faculty swallow it up and assume its constantly the case. All I know is that this season, the Premier League has been shite. A title "race" and relegation "fight" all done and dusted with so many games still left to play. The main supposed talking point from the weekend just gone was a player being booed by his own fans. That isnt down to the growing financial inequality that makes it harder and harder for teams to avoid embarassing relegation once they go up. Its because one of them signed a poor quality keeper.

Its the fans fault this is happening and its necessary due to FFP.

Certainly hasnt been the best league in the world this season. No title race and the gap between the Premier League and the Championship growing and growing due to the financial inequalities that grow and grow.

Another day, yet more shame cast upon the club. The club is full of useless arse lickers. Suhail, Waggott, Gestede, Yasir Sufi. Get rid of all of them though and still the problem remains. That claim that they never refuse to write a cheque becomes more and more laughable by the day.

If you do manage to stay in the Premier League then more than one year of the money then gives you a platform to then stablise but its so hard now to even do that. Forest got loads of criticism for their approach but it worked and it took a ridiculous amount of money just to scrapr survival in that first season. I stand by my point that the gap between Premier League and Championship is unhealthily big. No surprise that in 2 successive seasons the promoted sides have come straight back down in mainly embarassing fashion. Ipswich did spend quite big but all they can attract/afford in wages is top end Championship players. The Premier League has been terrible this season.

Exactly, and Gestede's comments totally lacked any context. They make out as if its a lapse in attitude and a bit of a dig at Eustace. But the reason for the change is down to players. The reason the minutes were so high in the 2 seasons prior to the one just gone were because we had first team ready talents in Adam Wharton and to a lesser extent Ash Phillips. We also had budget cuts the season before last so the likes of Leonard (who was injured for the majority of the season just gone anyway) and Garrett were given more minutes than they were ready for. Now those first team ready players have been sold, we naturally dont have that same level of talent. We cant just hand out minutes to meet an arbitary objective. It is cost cutting because if we glamourise this aim, then to get them those minutes, we will need a player or two less in the transfer market. So yes, cost cutting.

I think there is sometimes even 7 at Saturday dinnertime. 3 x Championship, 2 x League 1, 2 x League 2.

Exactly. This desperation to get back to them playing loads of minutes is just a cost cutting exercise.

He missed the game v us with a virus so im not sure if hes fully over it but your point is a valid one in general. Sheffield United finished on 16 points in the Premier League. Theyve come down and accumulated 92 and not even got promoted automatically because 2 other parachute payment teams both hit 100 points, before swatting aside 6th in a humiliating and uncompetitive semi final. Youve got a horrible mix of promoted sides getting embarassingly low points tallies in predictable relegations and relegated sides being miles too good for the Championship.

I dont know. No one can possibly know based on a few small cameos and one start where he got sent off and thats my point. I was trying to ask Parson if he felt confident in any/a number of the young lads being ready immediately to play because he knows more than me about them individually (and more than you) and you seem really keen to hijack it. On the Gestede stuff, you are being pedantic. He is keen to revert back to giving graduates loads of minutes. "They have to be part of your squad planning." Maybe the current crop arent ready to play that level of gametime as a group. It doesnt help when the 2 stand out youngsters who accumulated a large number of those minutes have since been sold, theres no context to what he is saying. It shouldnt be a set objective, and they dont seem arsed on the quality of those graduates, IMO its all a cost cutting, standard lowering situation being dressed up. Pad the squad out with kids because you wont get the budget to provide the squad depth you need to sustain yourselves over a season and make it seem like a positive. You dont have to justify every single thing that the club does, to the point where you are repeatedly butting into conversations.