roversfan99

You dont address peoples points, you just repeat your own. Has he developed? Yes, he has played and this season will continue to play loads of football. Will it benefit Spurs? Yes, they will make a considerable profit on him so good investment. And would he have immediately and suddenly have gone here from 5th choice to 2nd? No.

No way is Kapuadi a possibility. He is clearly out of date with that comment. We wanted a left footer to come in, wanted Kapuadi, couldnt afford him so got McLoughlin instead. I suspect any centre back who comes in now will be much cheaper and right footed as its only under consideration to cover Carter.

Do you genuinely think he would have played 10-15 games more here than what he has moving? He has played consistently, week in week out for 1 and a half of 2 years so that would only be bettered if he instantly had gone from 5th choice here to playing regularly. And we still had Hyam and Carter who were our centre backs when we finished 7th with Wharton also here so there is no way that he would have been a regular here in that first half season in which he went to Spurs and didnt play for a bit. You also mention being more sought after potentially because we are higher in the league. In that first season, we nearly went down. In the second season, he would perhaps have been even less likely to play under Eustace.

What an incredibly bitter post. He has developed! You would perhaps have a point had he been just playing kids football for 2 years but he hasnt. He has played and this season will continue to play loads of football. Phillips didnt even play 10 games under JDT. He has played 53 Championship games in the last 2 seasons and will play regularly again this season. If anything, far more than he would have played here where he was 5th choice and still had Hyam, Carter and Wharton ahead of him. So can you please tell me how the move was bad for his development. Also, the idea that it will be pointless for Spurs even if they do sell him, considering a considerable profit will be turned over, again is ridiculous.

Your fans seem to be pretty much in unison in what I have seen in being delighted to see him return. Our fans seem to be in unison that he made a terrible move leaving. But seems to me that hes really developing and proving himself at Stoke.

What makes you think he would have been a regular here? How long would he have waited? He left as 5th choice here, Ayala left, Hyam and Carter had just had a good season here finishing 7th and we also had Wharton ahead of him. So how do you work out that he would have been a regular? JDT wasnt using him very often, and understandably so. What has actually happened, is not that hes rotted in academy football. He has actually played far more football via loan spells rather than had he stayed here where at least short term he was back up. He has played and this season will continue to play regular Championship football and his reputation will continue to grow. Other players may have gone to League 2 or whatever. Phillips wont. Why would he. He already has proven for 18 solid months and likely a further 12 months upcoming that he is a very capable young defender. Even if he doesnt make it at Spurs, a top Championship or lower Prem club will take him, no danger. And how is it pointless for Spurs? As I said, even if he never makes their first team, theyll turn over a big profit. Good investment, no? So benefit to Phillips? More money obviously, but also loads of Championship regular football, moreso than here. Benefit to Spurs? Pick up a talented player for cheap and at worst turn over a big profit. So tell me, how have either made a mistake? How would Phillips have been in a better position even if he had played regularly and stayed?

Would the only way that people have thought that his move was correct if he had gone from our bench/under 21s straight into a Premier League starting 11? He was 5th choice here when he left. When Ayala left, he would have still been 4th choice. He has instead gone on very well selected loan moves. The first one at Plymouth was probably one of only one or two teams at this level that would have regularly started him. Then onto Stoke who are a step up from Plymouth but again were willing to start him week in week out. How would he have been better off had he stayed?

Wharton is an absolute freak. He has progressed so rapidly because he is a special talent. Phillips is also a talent but not at that level. Poor decision by Spurs? They at the very least will make a considerable profit on the peanuts they paid? Poor decision by his agent? He would have been well paid for the move and likely again when he moves on, having seen his client really establish himself as a Championship defender so long. And even with us, it is much harder to protect yourselves with young players. Id be amazed if Tyjon is still here next season.

Like he was here when he left. He will probably be sold next summer. And assuming he continues to impress, as still a very young centre back with lots of games under his belt and having impressed at Championship level, he will have his fair share of options.

He has been given the platform to play regular Championship football, where he has really impressed at a young age. He wasnt even playing here. Why did they buy him? Big clubs often hoover up young players who have potential. Spurs werent signing a 17 year old 5th choice Championship defender to come straight in. They will have known that there was a strong chance that at the very least, they could sell him on in the future for considerable profit. They very well might next summer.

But he was behind Hyam and Carter here. And presumably would have continued to be. My main question is though. Even if he had stayed here and played a similar number of games in the same division, which I doubt but I will run with it. How would he have been in a better position in terms of reputation? I would get the argument had he gone to Spurs and stayed there in the under 21s but not based on the route he has taken. And I dont get why you are fixating on that first half season. He played was it 9 games the season prior for us. Another 6 months not playing at such a young age will not have hindered his development, even if you discount training with better players and coaches.

You say ready to break into the first team here but it seems a stretch to assume considering how little he played and how far down the pecking order he was. Either way, across these 3 seasons, assuming he is a regular at Stoke again which seems a safe bet. The chances are slim that he would have ended that period with more Championship appearances. So I don't see how he would have been a more attractive proposition or how his career would have been in a better place had he stayed. You say his stock would have risen, but bis stock has risen. Had he been a regular for 3 seasons here, which as I said seems incredibly unlikely but you disagree. Why would his stock have risen any more. Either way, he proves that he is a capable Championship defender. I also very much doubt that he went to Spurs expecting to barge straight in.

But he hasnt had to compete with those players, bar half a season in which he would have had the experience of training against the likes of Kane with top coaches. At best, he would have played as much football here as he has done anyway and will do this season. And thats assuming that he would have suddenly gone from 4th/5th choice here to 1st or 2nd. And had he stayed here. Why would that have left him in a better position next summer compared to the position he will be in already? Spurs has been a good move because rather than keeping him around, theyve been able to choose really good moves for him to play regularly. He will go into next summer with 100+ Championship games under his belt, having really improved his reputation.

I dont get why the inexperience of the owners is relevant. The important thing is that the squad has lots of it, surely? All they do is keep signing cheques. I must say that I am also not convinced by Parkinson now they are no longer a stand out side at the level. Their squad in the lower leagues was full of players on their last legs that were still far too good but they do have a fair few now that are far from over the hill. Windass, Hardie, potentially O'Brien, Rathbone, Brunt, Longman etc.

It wasnt a comparison. I was saying that he is taking Weimann's place in the squad. Although if he is to be our direct and only alternative to Cantwell, then he has to be considered a proper first team player and will be compared to senior players as if they are equal to him. I never said that Wrexham would be play off contenders.

Nothing wrong with discussing signings now. As mentioned above, don't get why we can comment on other teams but must reserve judgement on ours. Tyjon at the moment is taking Weimann's spot in the squad, covering Cantwell. My post was more just a general update on transfers. People make out as if Phillips made a terrible choice joining Spurs but 2 and a half years of potentially regular football, moreso than he would have got here and on a much higher wage IMO justifies it. I suspect Spurs will sell him next summer and there wont be a shortage of takers. Stoke overall I suspect will do marginally better than last season. Wrexham do have a few younger players than they once did but they do have a core of Championship proven, experienced players. That might not be fashionable in this world of projects but its important. Hardie and Windass alongside Smith should get them a few goals and they also want Keiffer Moore. If they can get Lewis O'Brien that would be a big statement of intent. If they remember to fill out the paperwork. Dont see them as low as you think.

Knew that was coming.

Perhaps not, mismanagement up until now really weaken our hand. It was more about the choice of replacement. We have to find better than that which will involve paying a fee.

Seems to be currently injured.

Hard to argue with that. A meeting took place and minutes were sent to the club. There shouldnt be a delay from there unless they are trying to mislead.

Ash Phillips has rejoined Stoke and their fans are buzzing. This will take him to 2 and a half years of (almost certainly) regular first team football so will leave him in really good stead. Wrexham are starting to get busy. They have signed Hardie and now Windass who both will give them added goals. They signed a Kiwi left back, Thomason as a squad player from Bolton and still seem strong on chasing O'Brien.

Its obviously not a linear comparison for De Neve to replace anyone. You could argue that Ribeiro replaced Beck. He came in when Beck got injured. De Neve will play where Hedges played with Hedges where Dolan was so I suppose thats the closest comparison. Tyjon is currently in the place of Weimann. Either way, if Tyjon gives the output that Dolan or Weimann gave us then its an excellent breakthrough season. (And I suspect only season) But a huge ask.

Im not sure selling the best right back possibly in the league to a supposed direct rival (in terms of objectives) and replacing with someone they discarded seems wise. Think hes had injury problems and isnt that good.

Obviously we havent seen that much of him, and I am guessing that your post is somewhat tongue in cheek. But he definitely appears to be somewhat "raw" but that is not a huge criticism of him to say so. He is a winger we signed for a low fee relative to the league from Serie B so it is what youd expect. Wingers in general especially ones like Kargbo tend to be frustrating at times, but its also a skillset we didnt have and it can open up space for others too. We have seen signs of things that I am sure will frustrate and that suggest that he is raw. Running the ball out of play, giving away silly fouls, blazing shots miles over the bar, trying to beat too many players etc. I remember v Wolves which I think was his debut, having a player like him was exciting because we havent seen it for a long time, he terrified their defenders but didnt really achieve much at the end of it. He got into one good position and ended up diving and getting booked. There is also clearly something to work with though. He is absolutely rapid, he can take players on and there have been glimpses where he has got things right in the final third. He showed great composure to set up Dolan v Plymouth and yesterday that cross was excellent. He is the kind of player you want to see. It does seem though that Ismael is likely to go into the season favouring to start a perhaps more safe choice in De Neve. I hope Kargbo can really push on this season and also avoid injury as there is definitely something in there.

Our win record when he starts compared to when he doesnt wouldnt back that up.