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I have felt since the off this will be an engineered relegation. Can't get rid of the feeling Venkies WANT that. At times we have played quite decent giving me hope, even prompted me to take the humble pie out the freezer only for Charlton and Swansea to.kick me in the nuts and back to doom and gloom. A little more luck, a ref or two that can actully see and things wiuld look a lot different. Thing is that is how luck goes for those going down.

Must have missed that.

I felt Duff didn't stick around long enough really leaving at 24, but going back and looking through the stats despite injuries managed 180 odd appearances which is more than Shearer. Quality wise he is obviously good enough to be up there. So yes - I could get behind that.

The only midweeks free this side of Christmas are w/c 27th October, w/c 1st December & w/c 15th December. Imagine the October one is too soon now so probably one of the latter.

It was odd considering he'd just scored a few at International level but lets be honest here we should have invested in a proper centre forward. It's fools errand again all this development bollocks because how much combined has Gueye, this lad and one or two others cost and combined their wages ? Probably the same or more than the initial fees on Szmodics or Armstrong or Dack for example. The best way to actually develop other players is having quality in the side who can carry it and provide a platform for others to develop under less pressure. A Rhodes, a Graham, a Sammy means the team keeps picking up points even if it's floundering in other areas. They don't seem to want that though they'd rather have 4 cheapies and keep rotating hoping something clicks and someone becomes worth more money. Which proven players with a bit of pedigree and investment do anyway !

Was just an observation his WC displays. Like said, Duff at times especially in 02-03 was genuinely world class. Not against Jansen being on there at all and his important goals shouldn't be overlooked, Damien Duff was just a level above Jansen for me but thats not criticising him at all.

I’m putting myself in the category who thought that was not good enough yesterday . What I watched was massively worrying. Until de neve came on it was massively worrying. A team that did not look championship level. Apart from cantwell there really is an alarming lack of quality. The turnover of the football is embarrassing, it’s not about possession but it’s about what you do with the ball what the game plan is, you can have possession football, you can have non possession football and you can play both those ways on purpose, but we can’t make 3 passes together most the time. Goal kicks are practically giving the opposition the ball back, I must of counted way too many times a goal kick gives the ball back to the opposition whether it’s a long goal kick or whether it’s short goal kick where toth chips a hospital ball to alebiousu. Apart from de neve who came on and morishita, nobody seems to have any technical ability to actually cross a football. It’s very easy to just pass through us because our pressing is abysmal. The long throws we try time and time and time again. We’ve had 1 long throw that’s worked this season which was in this game and that’s only because nobody won the header, how about mixing it up. We can’t take set pieces, and if the ball does go in the box nobody can win a header. We look worrying defending set pieces, and our goalkeeper doesn’t come off his line. the only time we looked a threat before de neve came on is if stoke gave us the opportunity to. We had no cm as backup on the bench yesterday. The lack of technical ability in our side and lack of depth is so bad I really worry. If it wasn’t for cantwell having some bit of magic we don’t score yesterday. it’s hard to tell whether Andri up front is good or bad, the lack of anyone able to get near him because we’re so deep in defending because we aren’t good enough to press in a good shape or because we’re all running around hard chasing shadows because we keep giving the ball away that when he does get any action he’s feeding off scraps because we don’t create a thing and that he’s spent 40 minutes doing doggy’s chasing shadows he’s probably tired. Or he’s just not good enough I don’t know. But apart from morishitas cross all he did was just run to the left cb or right cb or chase down a hopeless pass/punt forward to him. I watched yesterday thinking, we can’t cross a ball, we can’t take set pieces, we can’t make enough patterns of play where we make 3 + passes together, keep turning over possession we are constantly chasing the ball. We won’t seem to have any really individual quality apart from maybe 2 players. Stoke for example could have been rubbish but you know cresswell or thomas might just put in a decent set piece that will decide the game. Or have that moment of quality. I just think when you struggle to be able to do the basics and keeping being sloppy with the ball you aren’t going to go very far. I mean it was a lot better when de neve came on but when balls are falling to players like tronstad on the 18 yard line you already know for all that hard effort we won’t score unless it falls to maybe 1 or 2. You know the long throw pressure will probably turn into an opposition attack. You know if we get into a crossing position the ball probably won’t be a first man or the cross will turn into an opposition attack because of the lack of quality. for me the only positive from that game is that it’s opened up a door for a partnership of de neve and hedges, they worked very well together. Rather than just relying on alebiousu to gallop down one side and pitching wedge a cross in, we can maybe now have something down the left wing a bit with a full back and a winger that are happy to get forward. But boy are we hoping baradji can actually Get fit and have something about him. Hickman and tronstad do ok cm but they are limited, you need a 3rd option. People can say draws a good result, to me it’s an alarming performance. A good last 25. That’s my opinion. Let’s hope it improves

Venkys aren't putting money in are they? We have to sell to buy and we can't buy at the same price as we sell. No future with that. If you're not prepared to put in or can't afford it---SELL!

But that's wasnt in Rovers shirt. Jansen cos of the important goals in important games for me. Tho im respect your opinion on that

Morishita and Gudjohnsen deal each were around 2m each. The original budget was £5m according to what was said during the fans forum and the podcast later on done.. We clearly investing more and reinvest some of the sales money. That's was my point. Its mention around 5m but Travis fee has question mark. From what was reported from certain sources provided probably around 10 to 12m.

Just on Kargbo being surprisingly composed today, he played a nice through ball to Ohashi at some point. Similar to his one to hedges was it?

What a way to celebrate 150 yrs of our great club. Relegation. 🙄

Not for me. Matt Jansen was absolutely fantastic, but Damien Duff at full flight was genuinely world class. As highlighted by his performances in the 2002 world cup whilst still a Rovers player.

Im not asking you to go through Twitter. I had it in my head that we spent around £5m and brought around £10m in, but Thats based on the sales as they were made, signings as the came in and my memory. If Transfer market is correct that £8.5m but does it mention our sales on there too? Not having a go by the way, just wondered if you knew, so thanks.

True most likely but, how could we know. As a keeper he should be aware of danger being present or not but bottom line is no goals from it right. To my point he's better than Ainsley at the moment, by a ways in my opinion. Your opinion is different, wrong but different. I just don't believe you can't see it Rev that's all. I can't be wrong now can I? Funny thing is my wife even mentioned it today and she is not that up on footy. On a separate note. Is this Baradji signing taining at all, is he in re-hab what the heck is his status. I have not seen anything on him at all really.

Plenty of sources out there. Transfermarkt has our down for around 10m euros spend. Different media sources on line from selling clubs have the reported fees. Etc, etc, etc For example Im not going through twitter looking for each one.

We did alot of money compared to previous seasons. That was my point. Sadly some of you are trying mixing up what I said with others things which I never said. Your other points are right and valid but I never mentioned them.

Matt Jansen?. Winning goal to seal our promotion back to the PL and goal in our FA cup final winner. Surely he would be the 4th one?.

If you're going 1992 - Tugay then Damien Duff would be you're 4th man surely?

Yesterday we collected a point relegation sides don't get. We have played WBA, Brum, Ipswich and Stoke of the favoured sides and frankly been unlucky not to have got more points against them. But relegation sides don't get the luck especially against good sides. We have been dire in one half against Norwich and two halves against Charlton and suffered a worldie and suicide against Swansea. The real relegation test will be gaining or dropping points against the two Sheffields and Oxford. Performances against Hull and Watford suggest we will be ok but do a Charlton and we will be deservedly in the poo. I can see us playing brilliantly against Coventry, terribly against Sheffield United and losing both...

I didn’t realise we have spent as much as that and thought, much of the business in was undisclosed . Genuine question, is this based on assumptions or do we know for sure what We paid for each new signing?

You're playing with words to make it sound like we spent a lot of money in the last window chaddy. We didnt "spend £10m" we ended up with a net surplus of £1 - £2m. I accept that was still better than what we all expected ie. the top earners would be sold and no money spent at all but we have still sold our higher earners and Alebiosu apart bought in Inferior players on lower wages.

Come off it - Toth didnt know there wasn't going to be any danger before he patted the ball out.

Yeah, the only way it'd possibly work is to hold the exhibition match before the main game but presumably they dont want to put the pitch at risk.