Yes that’s fair Iv accepted the financial side of things more talking from a footballing perspective a player could move to leave one clubs and be better paid than some of rovers players

Thanks @arbitro, appreciate that.

Agree re stock A quick look on transfermrkt and nothing major has changed since we sold him valued around £2m ish same as when we sold him Another loan at Stoke when spurs playing in 4 comps next season says it all really. May as well have stayed at rovers for a couple of years but we probably offered him a terrible contract and he moved. Sad really

I think he finished the season pretty well, but generally, I'd agree that he was a very average player overall. I think Tyjon has a much higher ceiling - and will contribute a greater GA output than Dolan, if he plays a similar amount of games. And I actually think that Kargbo will turn out to contribute more for us, pending avoidance of injury.

It’s not a stretch to assume really given the facts Iv just provided about injuries and his trajectory into the team at the time. Clearly a talented lad hence spurs wanting and getting him why would the chances have been slim for him playing here the same amount of times if he’s valued/viewed to be that good a talent and was battling hard at the time to break into the team we signed mcfadz then batth. I’d say it’s a fair assumption he would have played quite a lot of games for rovers. And considering spurs wanted him then before moving actually playing a significant amount of games in the championship and performing then no doubt there would have been more suitors. But when you make a bad move then miss half a season and move to with all due respect Plymouth it sort of takes you out of the spotlight and I personally don’t think his stock as risen that much or he wouldn’t be going back to Stoke with the greatest respect to them. And as for spurs I’d be very surprised if he plays any first team football ever for them so on that basis minus training against Harry Kane for 4/5 months I think it’s been a poor move for him

Dolan is shit.

The senior training centre one is just as bad, possibly even worse. Really poor stuff.

You could also say it like this Is Wharton better than Bath Tyjon better than Dolan ? Kargbo, Ohashi, Gueye and Cantwell having a full pre season. Dolan was a passenger in so many games last season.

Wasnt Dolan 17 when he came?

Poor business from all around really Poor decision to sell Poor decision for spurs to buy Poor decision by his agent (s) Shame to see one of our own unnecessarily play for Stoke (especially when you see Adam doing so well at Palace)

You say ready to break into the first team here but it seems a stretch to assume considering how little he played and how far down the pecking order he was. Either way, across these 3 seasons, assuming he is a regular at Stoke again which seems a safe bet. The chances are slim that he would have ended that period with more Championship appearances. So I don't see how he would have been a more attractive proposition or how his career would have been in a better place had he stayed. You say his stock would have risen, but bis stock has risen. Had he been a regular for 3 seasons here, which as I said seems incredibly unlikely but you disagree. Why would his stock have risen any more. Either way, he proves that he is a capable Championship defender. I also very much doubt that he went to Spurs expecting to barge straight in.

What? Do you want me to go back and ask him? I'm not sure why you're going so deep into it. Im sure a fan of a club has a more accurate point on their clubs position than you (no offence). The step up from league 1 to championship is a whole difference level than 2 to 1. You don't need to study the championship to know that. If the bookies disagree that's great, put your money where your mouth is 😀 or get mercer to.

In Elche?

Who's Adrian Harvie?

They need to sign more and there is plenty of time to do so not sure what relevance the bookies have on things though. Outside of parachute payment teams they are guessing as much as the next person

I couldn't honestly say cos I've honestly never heard of all bar one. The proof of the pudding and all that.

So for the half a season he went without football was that a good thing? I don’t see how it was ready to break into the rovers team he is clearly a talent and given the injuries we have already seen to carter and Wharton there was a fair chance he would have played quite a lot meaning his stock would have risen. Moving to spurs to be pawned off to two relegation teams in the champ I strongly doubt was expected from him/or his agent with the likelihood of him moving on again next summer. So that will be rovers / spurs u21s / Plymouth / Stoke / whoever next in approx 3 seasons some players don’t have that many clubs in a lifetime let alone 3 seasons.

Did he believe that their squad would cope with the intensity of League One or League Two? Did he expect three successive promotions? By the same token we don't watch League One, your friend probably doesn't watch this league enough to make that assessment. And we are only what, halfway through the window? The bookies heavily disagree with your friend. Their owners may be inexperienced but they're a hundred times the owners ours are.

No, you really did. I wasn't actually attempting to respond to yours, the only point I was making is you avoided Wilsden's. Don't then come at me like I a) missed yours or b) frequently miss yours, when neither is remotely true. Please stop these pointlessly defensive arguing tactics you've adopted, and use the tools of rational debate. Now, I'll reiterate for the poster you were initially replying to - why is it ok to judge the signings of other teams, but too soon to judge ours?

Their season will boil down to how well they start and if they don't, how quickly they swap managers and who they bring in.

But he hasnt had to compete with those players, bar half a season in which he would have had the experience of training against the likes of Kane with top coaches. At best, he would have played as much football here as he has done anyway and will do this season. And thats assuming that he would have suddenly gone from 4th/5th choice here to 1st or 2nd. And had he stayed here. Why would that have left him in a better position next summer compared to the position he will be in already? Spurs has been a good move because rather than keeping him around, theyve been able to choose really good moves for him to play regularly. He will go into next summer with 100+ Championship games under his belt, having really improved his reputation.

I dont get why the inexperience of the owners is relevant. The important thing is that the squad has lots of it, surely? All they do is keep signing cheques. I must say that I am also not convinced by Parkinson now they are no longer a stand out side at the level. Their squad in the lower leagues was full of players on their last legs that were still far too good but they do have a fair few now that are far from over the hill. Windass, Hardie, potentially O'Brien, Rathbone, Brunt, Longman etc.

Disagree on the Phillips move was ready to break into rovers team and could have put himself in a position after a year or two for a better move spurs wasn’t the right move for him footballing wise competing with Romero van de ven dragusin dier etc wasn’t ever going to get that chance played half a season at plymoth then one at Stoke financially better off I suppose but footballing wise probably been a small downgrade

It wasnt a comparison. I was saying that he is taking Weimann's place in the squad. Although if he is to be our direct and only alternative to Cantwell, then he has to be considered a proper first team player and will be compared to senior players as if they are equal to him. I never said that Wrexham would be play off contenders.