Interestingly the 2017 squad had a lot of attacking talent but little to no defensive ability especially after the sale of our two centre backs. This time it seems the reverse very limited attacking talent with a solid defense (including defensive mids.) That said once we've continues to ship off any assets even that ok defence might be in question as well. Both have hallmarks of a ton of players being shipped in and out and a manager of questionable aability.Both seem to have gaping holes in certain areas of the squad. Sheff Weds realistically means that there will only be two places left to avoid and I think there's enough other teams that will struggle. So its not nailed on but my word we will be in the mix.

Just watched the goals back on ITV. I remember at the time thinking how it was a really shit corner, but it takes an absolute age for the ball to end up in the back of the net at the other end. The defending against their counter attack is even worse than the corner. Comically bad. Someone needed to commit a professional foul and take the booking, then we almost certainly get a point from a below average performance and we aren't all as angry as we are now.

1 trophy in 150 years 1 trophy per million residents Massive club.

This was a really interesting moment actually, someone else was lined up for the corner (Ribeiro possibly?) and VI made a big deal about swapping them over but I thought at the time he looked really reluctant about it. His comments post game reinforce that feeling as his unhappiness about set pieces are surely crystallised by that corner. Do we think Ben Benson is still in charge of set pieces?

Dont go on Youtube either....they are bigger than God.

At least we’ve kept the “ losing to newly promoted teams record “ going.

We have broke a lot of Club records under the Pune Loons for all the wrong reasons....you just know its happening!

Precisely, the big clue is you're nowhere near your own goal!

Is Val incapable of telling one more of his players to stay back?

Hardly any.

Throw under the bus? who has he throw under the bus? one of the coaching staff is responsible for set pieces yet we have no-one back for that corner? who fault is that?

Obviously nearly twice as good as Adam Wharton then.

Certainly hard to see what anyone saw in him other than pace but surely that’s not all you need to be a worthy target. Looks like a million amateur football players up and down the uk. Whoever is our scout for attacking players needs got rid of, clearly not doing basic research

just seen that ipswich have sold amari hutchinson to forest for 37 million quid,thats an impressive bit of business for someone who flatters to deceive every match,if he was really worth that sort of money chelsea would`nt have sold him in the first place

We will sink!

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How many of that eleven are pre Venkys?

Probably look to the door soon too

Whatever you do, don’t tell her that.

Really tough fixtures to start of the season

We have never lost the opening 4 games of a league season in our history. I think we could lose our first 7 this season.

Am I mad or not - I swear my commentary said Val shouted for Tavares to take the corner

What if he had spent nearly 12 months unemployed and not been able to get a job. Then was told he could have a 3.5 year contract at a Championship club in transition, who would have to lose key players this summer to cut the wage budget and would be relying on academy and cheap signings. Having seen the club was still in the top 6 he may have thought he could still do a decent job at it. Surely he knows what’s happened to the previous managers.

I was expecting a shit show and was actually quite impressed with the performance in areas. Worked hard, got in front and looked solid then the subs came on and it all fell apart. Naivety from the new lads and the manager. We never looked like conceding and let them have the ball without threatening. Defensive signings all look decent. The usual problem which I think puts us in danger of relegation is our quality in attack. We don’t offer any threat from open play whatsoever. No pressure on the box, no balls across the box, no balls through for strikers. It’s so stale and we will need clean sheets to get a win as we won’t be scoring more than one. A player like Stanisfield or Dyke would walk into our team. Sadly our best chance of goals look like long throws from Miller which says it all.

It looks like it's Batth missing Hyam rather than tother way round.