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Are you sure?

Why are you in a protest thread when no form of protest would be supported by you?

And you done what? I'm a mug for wanting to back the team. Yes the team. We have games to play and win. You might not fecking shit the players and winning games then fine.

A spreadsheet with all this information was sent to media & representatives & to the club to ask if they were concerned, differences as high as 5,222, a 33% difference. Nobody, and I mean nobody cares

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2025/december/14/-it-means-a-lot-to-get-far----joseph/

Certainly doesnt help. Although our defenders individually are poor anyway which compounds it. McLoughlin is a squad player at best, Miller is even worse.

I obviously know Gestede doesnt go out scouting the players. I never said that he did. Even back in Ferguson's era, he would have had scouts. I never said that. We will have limited our managerial search to desperados like Ismael because managers wont want crap players put before the. They wont want dickhead novices like Gestede being at the head of the recruitment operation, or demands put on them regarding how to play, how many youngsters need to play etc. The manager should be able to choose as he should be best placed to decide. Ismael might have decided between x and y but I can only imagine how bad some of the lists of players will have been. Tomasson was the same and got publically frustrated by it. I remember him saying when we had a self inflicted block on transfers that he had said yes to loads of people that hadnt arrived, suggesting that he was just desperate for bodies at that point. Im guessing you are happy with Gestede being in the position he is and with the structure of Gestede and Ismael. I do understand how many modern day football clubs are setup. I DISAGREE that it necessarily makes total sense all of the time for them to run like that even if it modern day fashion.

Wow

You are a mug chaddy. The club is being destroyed and can't see it. Not even bling the frog. Why you come here I don't know.

Why if you want to rid this club of, IMO, an utterly shite ownership and executive management? Spot on. Hit the sensitive spots where it hurts. A way forward to secure an embarrassment across our ownership, executive management and the football world. When the wider football world can see official attendances are being grossly exaggerated (perhaps by as much as 50%), it will sting and more than raise eyebrows. Using social media, starting with the last 6 home games list on a match by match basis the real attendance against the official attendance and add to after every home game. Has to be done on a rolling basis (ie all matches shown and not a game in isolation) for impact. Agreed Agree Agree Sadly, it's an issue we face with many of our fans - they are so gullible it's untrue and they simply don't get it. IMO, there is a lot of hot air and seemingly no action. It's simple, maximise embarrassment and make Pasha and Gestede squirm uncomfortably. Look what happened last season when the 3 stooges were forced into a woeful q & a. Since then, seems like all pressure gone and feck all happening. Lastly, IMO, unless you want to end up watching Rovers at Griffin Park or Pleasington, grow some balls and resilience and BOYCOTT EWOOD PARK entirely instead of bellyaching and pontificating on this MB.

To follow up on James post, the coalition is a stronger place by WATR being part of it. Individual groups have their own mandates, members etc. I'm co chair of one (WATR) and chair of another the BRFC action group. Approaches are certainly different and action is voted by the Boards/Committees of either of these groups. Action Group for example have boycotted the FF and have voted a complete vote of no confidence in the mechanism and wont attend under its current format. The minutes are not true and to be completely honest 85% of the panel remain silent and aint batting for the fans. Where WATR go with the FF i'm unsure as its not been decided but my own thoughts are that of the AG. If its not democratic, voted in by the fans, then it dont represent us. WATR have quite a few balls in the air, the website is probmatic and is being addressed (a problem i inherited when joining the board). We need to push an update out, as its important we feed things to the members of whats occurring with the EFL, Regulator, Owners, Membership and many other things. The coalition are desperate for meaningful action and were hit with a police/council bill before the derby game. It called a halt to that protest as we have no money, and i cant personally fund it again. There was a suggestion WATR should fund/front a movement but that would need unaminous board buy in and a membership vote, this was explained at the time, that i cant just say, yep trust will fund it. (Notably the trust has funded some 135/15 leaflets). One of the biggest issues as @J*B has correctly pointed out, an individual or individuals need to put their name to things. When its not me, there aint any hands going up from others. We will be pushing on calling for a full scale boycott, NAPM, it be down to each fan then to decide if they go or dont. I wont be drawn into the politics or pissing competition, especially from those who aint the credits in the bank. I know there is lots in the coalition trying their best, against at times a back drop of ridicule. Its either we move together or give up

This is my position, ST holder every year since 1998, very reluctant to give up going no matter what. However, if there was specific games organised as a boycott I would bite the bullet and join in. Or if I thought not renewing and staying away for a couple of games as part of a mass co-ordinated effort to do the same would get rid of the owners, I'd join in with that too. The Blackpool boycott took a while but eventually forced their owners out, the Sheff Weds one worked almost immediately. Two different owners and sets of circumstances with those clubs. Maybe one very significant and humiliating boycott for the club (e.g. the Sheff Weds game) would be enough to show that it isn't a minority of fans who are angry and the degree to which we're angry.

Exactly.

Not what I asked at all but never mind. Lol. Also I think someone could be relatively unconcerned about the owners or our overall plight but still use the red button for midweek night matches in winter, that's an entirely separate issue.

In which case he is responsible for the shit signed over summer.

the main protest over the years is don't attend which has been the main protest by fans not attending games, etc We are seeing some fans not attending night games as they normally would but choosing to watch at home

seems to me that the boycott of home games has already began and will continue this saturday,especially when as game is on the telly

I believe it the same now that Ismael has the final say whether we sign someone. He has discussed with BBC Radio Lancs that he was the man behind the Morishita move and why.

From what i'm reading - any progress made previously over the back end of last season, has now regressed and we are where we were prior to Glen raising his head above the parapet (again).

WATR has a small number of people in the coalition chat, the same as several other groups, but it’s not accurate to suggest that the trust has been driving decisions or stifling action. No single group has been in control of what the coalition does or doesn’t do. As I understand, things understandably went quieter after legal threats were made towards one of the main individuals fronting the coalition. Given the seriousness of that situation, it’s only natural that they would take a step back. Unfortunately, rather than others stepping forward to take on that role, a number of people chose to leave instead. Alongside that, there were concerns around potential policing costs, personal liability and information being leaked from within the group, all of which made people more cautious about being visible or outspoken. There were discussions about doing something around the Derby game, but coming off wins against Southampton, Leicester and Bristol City, there were genuine concerns about turnout and how effective any action would be at that point. Posts that focus on blaming other supporter groups don’t really help and just play into the clubs hands. If anyone wants to see action happen, the most positive way forward is getting involved and helping to organise it. It’s easy to say more should have been done, but it’s much harder to commit the time and responsibility needed to make something happen.

While I agree with your overall sentiment, there is one thing Eustace could not have known when he signed: the rise of Rudy Gested to high positions of power. I believe it is hard to overestimate how disastrous that development was.

I've lost count how many times you've mistaken people disagreeing with you for them not understanding the point you're trying to make.