I imagine a Cat B ticket in the JWU will be around £27. But still, if the alternative is £500, when you know you’ll miss 4/5, and who knows that bitterly cold midwinter midweek too, maybe NYD, maybe one of the half dozen that will kick off at half 12 etc etc. Getting to the stage for most fans now (unless you are the uber fan that has no other commitments, social occasions, holidays, weekends away and so on between August and May every year) that you need to think, putting to one side that you like ‘your seat’, is it worth my while shelling out?

The money receive the bulk of it has funding their losses we made the last 2 seasons. I thought that was obvious to everyone. Clearly not The club isn't skint, if it was why are buying players for transfers fees, both can't be true can it? if we skint we wouldn't buying players would we? who said I'm happy with just £4/5m spent? Please show me I am said this cos this is most annoying thing about you now, the way you make shit up to suit your arguments every time. We had this debate only on Saturday, do we need to have it again SERIOUSLY?. Unless we are in room we don't know. We tried for 2 years with Dolan to get a new contract and he didn't want to sign here. I think you have miss understood my point on the wage bill which I addressed only a couple of weeks ago. I am not keep going over the same points week in week out with yourself. Its boring RF99. Plus you can find similar quality for less money and wages than British players. Nothing wrong with doing that and clubs have been doing that for years.

If we were skint as you say then we wouldn't buying players for transfers fees would we? and still looking more money on centre back signing. Yes there are some jobs need doing around the stadium, etc but that down to Rovers owners and management authorising for the work to get done and financing it. You know the reasons why both head coach threw the towel in as you say. People have been wanted Lowe out for years and now he has gone, you are complaining about and you have said that each head coach should be allow to bring in their own staff in. Waggott? didn't you want him gone anyway? Yes some staff and left but their roles have been advertised or filled already. Did I want those good people to go who have been here for years of course not but their roles are still there and been advertised last month. The transfers fees that we have received over the last 2 years have gone to fund the losses the club have made over those 2 years. final point, nowhere have I said everything is hunky dory have I but I reply to your skint comment which isn't true as I said but we want the club to be run very differently and under new owners with people who know what the clubs means, be here to run the club and make the club the heartbeat of the community.

I don't really know what they can do tbh but there must be something that can be done, or put in place that protects clubs better, surely? I assume the authorities have no problems with the way Venky's run the club because of the reasons you have listed, and yet the fans of Blackburn Rovers football club would be cheering louder than ever if they finally did the right thing and sold the club. However, I didn't even mention Rovers or Venky's, so i'm not sure why you brought it up.

I haven't renewed yet, and was discussing with a mate the other day. My ST for this season will be £499.00. Over 23 games that's just shy of £21.70 per match. I already know I can't make the first game of the season due to holidays, so 22 games max = £22.70 per match. Unless I am mistaken, most home games in the JW upper are valued at what... £25.00 per game? Some will be more expensive, others presumably a bit cheaper (night matches etc). Last season I probably missed 3, 4 or 5 games due to various commitments. Is there really any point in me buying an ST? I'm thinking of just shoving the £500.00 in to a spare account and chipping away at it to see how much of it I use. Be quite interesting to see how much is left (or not) at the end of the season.

The club will only push it so far though. Imagine if they stuck a decent offer on the table to push the compo up and he signed it! They'd be hawking him around the championship the following day!

I'd agree that having a full pre-season with his loan club makes sense, should allow him to bed-in properly and learn how they want to play, plus get to know his CB partners. I still have hopes for him, he has all the tools to be successful and as others have pointed out, Wharton and Carter were also similarly slow bloomers. Incidentally, getting players in early for a full pre-season was what we were promised this year... always easier to let players go than to bring them in for us.

The £40m has funded the losses in the past 2 seasons. It's gone, which accounts for the funding request to the court.

You can actually watch every game free on the free version of the DAZN app.

agreed. Just can't see them selling at this point. One poster has mention numerous tipping points for the ownership during the years and yet they haven't. I am surprised they haven't yet but for some unknown reasons they won't.

The contract we’ve offered (if indeed we have) is taken into account when deciding the compensation amount. I guess most of us think we’ve either done as you say = lower compensation or failed to offer one at all = no compensation. It would be lovely just to have one competent person in the club’s senior management.

I think you could possibly make a case that Coventry's and Charlton's were.

I think 30th June is the latest a loan can run ‘til but most run to the end of May.

Fascinating how there still hasn't been any movement on the contracts of Travis, Tronstad or Brittain... Don't get me wrong, i'm not surprised in the slightest - but it just never ceases to amaze me how badly run our once great Club is. We really are a basket case of the absolute highest order.

I was talking about the actually changes coming in not people inventing changes that aren't coming in.

Were any of their undesirables foreign billionaires completely insulated from any criticism?

Chaddy we have been trading at a massive loss for years, and the only thing the bailed us out recently was Wharton and Sammie. These are exceptional items.

You said that wouldn’t impact match goers, nobody said that it is coming in now - fair enough if you misread GHD’s post.

You are literally just an echo chamber for what comes out of the club without the ability to develop your own opinions on what is said. Suhail and Gestede both said £4-5m was spent so you are happy with that. Gestede literally used that 10s of millions line that you are now parroting. No one is asking for that, its an attempt by Gestede to make people seem unreasonable for expecting more reinvestment by gaslighting people into thinking theyve demanding a massive warchest. As has been said, the club is skint. Look whats gone out, look whats come in. And crucially, look at the core of proven Championship players we have. Brittain, Travis, Tronstad, Hyam all going into their last year. Dolan, Batth and Weimann all out the door. We clearly are not offering reasonable, competitive Championship wages. Your usual line is to say "well our wage bill hasnt gone down from 5 years ago." Purpoesefully or otherwise dismissing inflation, £1 today doesnt equate to £1 then. Our wage bill now will be higher than our title winning side in 1995, if we are just dismissing the time value of money. Its all well and good spending small fees on players from lesser leagues abroad because their wages wont be high.

We want new owners. All of those things that you mention only have a chance of happening with new owners.

another comprehensive KentExile loans thread? hell yeah. Repeating myself, but I'd heard from a Cambridge supporter that he was in a bit of an unlucky situation at a poor L1 side last year (this was compounded by making a few errors early on...), so he may not have gotten a truly fair shake there. Then seemed to manage fine with another half-season in L2 to try to salvage his year. Taking a step back, he's only turning 22 in Oct. Despite last year being a bit of a step back, a CB managing regular L2 minutes at ages 19-21 is pretty promising overall. Getting loaned out so early is rather strange. Taking an optimistic view, this should help him get settled early and its perhaps a good sign that a L1 club is immediately keen to sign him to be a starter, rather than trying to fit him in somewhere in late Aug. But, can also easily imagine Rovers are simply trying to minimise their wage costs for the year, and obviously concerning if VI doesn't even see him as competition to our current CBs (Hyam and Carter are obviously ahead, but he should be 3rdish at the moment with Batth and Sanderson out the door...)

Yes we are skint. That should be obvious to anyone with a passing interest in what goes on at Rovers. Look at the stadium, look at the cost cutting, look at the fact that there has been zero investment in anything beyond limited small transfer fees on the squad, look at the state of Ewood Park, Look at the fact that JDT and Eustace both threw the towel in after a few months of trying and failing to work under the restrictions imposed by the owners and their stooges. Look at the fact that there has been an exodus - some voluntary and some redundancies - of numerous staff behind the scenes, be that coaching, backroom staff, Waggott, the ladies at Brockhall, now David Lowe, this doesn't happen at a club that doesn't have major operational or financial issues. This isn't, despite your attempts to convince yourself it is, a situation where everything is normal and hunky dory and the only issue is that the money being spent isn't as much as we'd prefer. The club is in total and utter crisis, caused by these owners, their legal issues and their decisions. Expecting credit for us signing a couple of cheap players from Portugal and Belgium after bringing in millions from sales, sell on fees and compensation money is laughable. We all know those sort of deals are low cost punts on wages more akin to League One than the Championship. I bet that Eustace's compensation cash has comfortably covered whatever we've paid out. 'Problems in India' - a bit more serious than that Chaddy. This isn't just some minor technical issue that should all get sorted and then everything is fine. The radical cost cutting began before the Indian legal issues emerged so that particular excuse doesn't really stack up. But even if it did we are now 2 years into the 'problems' coming to light and they still haven't been resolved. The owners have to go to Court or comply with various onerous requirements just to be able to send enough cash to cover their obligations. Not investment, or a transfer kitty, but just to meet the wage and tax bill each month. If the owners wake up one day and decide they can't be arsed or perhaps if their issues don't go away for another few years or perhaps they get found guilty of whatever it is they are being investigated for, then the entire operation is in danger of collapse. So serious stuff. I'm also intrigued as to what the Venky apologists would think or have to say if they do get found guilty of financial misdemeanours / crimes in India whether these people are content / comfortable with their club being entangled in such activity and potentially used as a vehicle for some of this activity. Presumably all ok as well because at least they've paid the bills on time and the lads are still there to cheer on every fortnight?

Other fanbases.......Bolton, Charlton, Coventry, Blackpool got rid of their undesirable owners. Ours are on.........what is it? 14 years?

I have posted more than enough about I want us to be run in the past. Maybe have a look at them before reply with that. He sold the club last week. Suggest you look how to run his other clubs into the ground. Look at the other thread where a poster posted about how he run Lyon into the ground. Now relegation into Ligue 2 cos of miss management Palace's success is down Steve Parish and the other owners not Textor

The football club is skint. The owner's aren't. We are skint by choice, the owners could change that at any point.