[Archived] Paul Ince

[rog of the rovers]

And double wages and contract length didn't have anything to do with Brad leaving?

Why do people persist with the Ince Out campaign? The board has spoken and he's not going anywhere (well at least until the new year) so can't we just suck it and see?

A new poll perhaps?

[modes98]

Why do people persist with the Ince Out campaign? The board has spoken and he's not going anywhere (well at least until the new year) so can't we just suck it and see?

The board haven't said anything about time frames.

People continue because they see what an important point this is in our season. Ince wins on saturday and the pressures eases, Ince loses and the Ince out campaign grows in strength.

[brightonrover]

The board haven't said anything about time frames.

People continue because they see what an important point this is in our season. Ince wins on saturday and the pressures eases, Ince loses and the Ince out campaign grows in strength.

I can understand why there's lots of people panicking about our position and that they might want Ince out because of it but, with a finite number of games left people need to back the team regardless of who the manager is.

If we go down then I wouldn't be surprised to see us struggle to make it back to the Premiership. If/when we go down you will either be able to say to yourself that you backed the team all the way or you can smugly say that you were right about Ince all along.

[broadsword]

I don't think backing the team and not thinking that Ince is the man to keep us in the Premiership need be mutually exclusive.

[G Somerset Rover]

The board haven't said anything about time frames.

People continue because they see what an important point this is in our season. Ince wins on saturday and the pressures eases, Ince loses and the Ince out campaign grows in strength.

Ince loses on Saturday and then we have to get nine wins out of a realistic 17 games. That's more than difficult...that's looking flipping impossible right now.

I'm completely dejected right now. We will most probably lose on Saturday but no doubt he'll still be in charge for Stoke. Added to this that we haven't got a pot to pee in even if Ince does get the sack and the lack of direction and voice from the boardroom and you get one very bleak outlook.

[Bobby G]

If we lose to Wigan, he is out of there but those 3 points could be the difference between staying up and going down.

[alexanders]

Ince loses on Saturday and then we have to get nine wins out of a realistic 17 games. That's more than difficult...that's looking flipping impossible right now.

I'm completely dejected right now. We will most probably lose on Saturday but no doubt he'll still be in charge for Stoke. Added to this that we haven't got a pot to pee in even if Ince does get the sack and the lack of direction and voice from the boardroom and you get one very bleak outlook.

He won't continue after the Wigan game is the fans make themselves heard.

I think we will snap a winner at JJB!"

[JonnyH]

Is anyone else finding Hull's start to the season slightly less quirky?

[PAFELL]

The Guardian suggests that John Williams protected Paul Ince from the Trust demanding his sacking.

That is extraordinally generous-spirited towards Paul Ince on the part of John Williams considering what has happened since Ince was appointed.

I wonder if not getting their way has caused the Trust to take their chequebook home.

I think the Board has made an enormous mistake. Today's board meeting has in effect sealed our relegation.

And yes I will be so elated to have this thrown back at me on 16 May 2009 by my devoted fans on this message board.

As much as I believe Ince is not the man for the job, I still do not believe Rovers will be relegated. The trustees took their chequebook home a long time ago, hence Hughes departing.

As to your devoted fans on this message board - could be extremely quiet if you do not have any!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hughesy]

According to Nicko Brad turned in a transfer request straight away after Hughes left.

It had nothing to do with Ince.

Brad was happy here when Ince came in, however there was some history between them. Brad wasnt going anywhere and hadnt handed anything in - he firmly believed he would end his career here. He then found out that Ince had actively been looking for a replacement for him. He was then told of the Villa interest and that he could go if he wished, FACT!! Get nicko to confirm if you wish......

[philipl]

As much as I believe Ince is not the man for the job, I still do not believe Rovers will be relegated. The trustees took their chequebook home a long time ago, hence Hughes departing.

As to your devoted fans on this message board - could be extremely quiet if you do not have any!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh I have quite a following when folks reckon I have boobed.

My attitude is we are down already and frankly so do the fans.

Saturday they were not booing because after 9 Derby County performances we got a Reading performance.

[PAFELL]

I have a horrible feeling that the 'leak' story in the Saturday papers cocked the whole job up.

Just a gut thing...and I have got enough of that.

If the change had been seen to be clean it would probably have happened...

Just a theory, but something nags me that it was probably a factor.

A defeat at wigan - if it happens - could be the bit that cleans it all up.

[alexanders]

Brad was happy here when Ince came in, however there was some history between them. Brad wasnt going anywhere and hadnt handed anything in - he firmly believed he would end his career here. He then found out that Ince had actively been looking for a replacement for him. He was then told of the Villa interest and that he could go if he wished, FACT!! Get nicko to confirm if you wish......

Okey, I wasn't aware of that. I think everything seemed so strange with Brad Friedel being the first one to welcome Ince. Strange.

[PAFELL]

Oh I have quite a following when folks reckon I have boobed. Sorry but they are vultures out for blood, not fans

My attitude is we are down already and frankly so do the fans.

Saturday they were not booing because after 9 Derby County performances we got a Reading performance. The performance was better on saturday - still not god enough, but that was down to the extra vocal support that the team got

[PAFELL]

If we lose to Wigan and draw with Stoke (the likeliest results), we will be bottom at Christmas and what is still a remarkably strong field oof candidates for the not yet vacant manager's position will get decimated.

The players' agents who are hawking at least half the first team squad round the rest of the Premier League will be looking at the League Table and knowing a relegation will smash their (the agents') earning power irrespective of whatever Managerial inspiration is being offered at Brockhall.

That is one reason I believe yesterday's board meeting relegated us.

Unless any new manager santioned a mass clear out to give him extra funds to build his own team - a completely new team. Out of curiosity if that did happen how much could Rovers bring in from the current squad? Of course they would also have to be replaced as well.

[RevidgeBlue]

If we lose to Wigan and draw with Stoke (the likeliest results), we will be bottom at Christmas and what is still a remarkably strong field oof candidates for the not yet vacant manager's position will get decimated.

There is no field is there?

Indications are that if there was any mileage in the Sam/Souey rumours, they turned their nose up at a lack of finance, and I can't see a host of top class managers beating a path to our door without significant January funding either.

My attitude is we are down already and frankly so do the fans.

Good job you don't attend the matches then.

[broadsword]

Maybe we could get something for Tugay on the Antiques Roadshow? that could bring in some cash, and we could get David Dickinson to spend it.

everything's just so gloomy and doomy it's not true, very depressing.

and my contract might get terminated on Friday because of budget problems, so I really am on the crest of a wave at the minute.

[philipl]

There is no field is there?

Indications are that if there was any mileage in the Sam/Souey rumours, they turned their nose up at a lack of finance, and I can't see a host of top class managers beating a path to our door without significant January funding either.

Sorry, I don't do PMs after you posted the last one I sent you.

[thenodrog]

Damning facts in the Mail

UEFA ProLicence 2007 intake (Qualified in 2008)

David Parnaby, Kevin Ball, Martin Gray, Russell Wilcox, Gary Ablett, Ian McParland, Steve Beaglehole, Brendan Rodgers, John Dungworth, John Schofield, Maureen Marley, Paul Brush, Mark Proctor, Steve Agnew, Roy Keane, Dean Smith, Nas Bashir, Ricki Herbert, Siggi Eyjolfsson, Jim Hicks, Adrian Whitbread.

UEFA ProLicence 2008 intake (Scheduled to qualify in 2009)

Neil Bailey, Wayne Allison, David Hockaday, Sean McAuley, Peter Shirtliff, Jamie Robinson, Adam Sadler, Gareth Southgate, Colin Cooper, Kenny Swain, Lee Richardson, Gudjon Thordarson, Tony Loughlan, Jon Rudkin, Malcolm Crosby, Graeme Jones, Mike Phelan, Dan Ashworth.

Ince cannot be on that ProLicence list because he doesn't even hold the UEFA B licence, too busy on the golf course when he was manager of Macclesfield, MK Dons and Blackburn to spare the time to learn the ropes.

He didn't even bother completing the League Manager's Association course in Applied Football Management at Warwick Business School, walking out on it when he thought he had the management game sussed at Macclesfield.

Shooting his mouth off and showing signs of paranoia when he made his ludicrous 'vendetta' claims, it is just the kind of ammunition Blackburn's increasingly anxious directors are looking for.

He should be concentrating on the team, spending time on the training pitches and making running repairs to a team who are rapidly running out of time in the Premier League.

Despite me getting roundly attacked by some people of doubtful intellect and alternative agenda on the Freidel thread it appears that people now accept that the reason Freidel went was as I suggestred down to past 'issues' between him and Paul Ince ..... So whats the betting that before long we will discover that somebody else fills in his score card on the golf course too?

[Rover4ever]

If we lose at Wigan Ince will go and we will have a honeymoon period with a new boss over Christmas, which will be crucial.

In recent years, Portsmouth, Fulham, Bolton have all been 8-9 points away from safety at mid season, and all of them recovered, not surprisingly after getting new managers in November or December

[RevidgeBlue]

Despite me getting roundly attacked by some people of doubtful intellect and alternative agenda on the Freidel thread it appears that people now accept that the reason Freidel went was as I suggestred down to past 'issues' between him and Paul Ince ..... So whats the betting that before long we will discover that somebody else fills in his score card on the golf course too?

What's everyone getting worked up about that ridiculous blog in the Mail for?

It's well known he didn't have his badges before he came to Rovers, hence him agreeing to do them as part of his contract.

Complete non story.

[broadsword]

Will be very interesting to see what happens if we lose at Wigan.

will purse strings be loosened?

will people be given their marching orders?

will there be general panic and mayhem or will it just be complete apathy?

[thenodrog]

I know it is slightly off topic, but is no-one else greatly concerned over the "minimal funds" for January? It seems that all that money we was supposed to have in the summertime has vanished. I find this worrying.

It's a downward spiral I'm afraid. Who on earth will allow an inept and underachieving manager to sign players at extortionate cost knowing that there is a big chance that we will have to offload them at a loss in 4 months time? It's like chucking the baby out with the bathwater. Learn the lessons of history by looking at the recent history of some of the teams that have gone down over the past 10 years or so. The parachute payments have scandalously gone on getting rid of too many billy big-time players rather than preparing a promotion challenge.

[T4E]

Is anyone else finding Hull's start to the season slightly less quirky?

Too (Please don't use that word again)ing right. Whilst back in the Summer I was getting Paul Ince spot on, I was making a big error in judgement in thinking that Hull, Stoke and West Brom were by far the weakest bunch of teams promoted to the Premier League in recent times. Conventional wisdom had them going back down, so I thought that even though Ince was very likely to be bobbins, we'd not be worrying about relegation as even Rovers at our worst would be better than them three.

I was very very wrong. I wonder if the board made the same mistake.

[thenodrog]

We're struggling because:

If you'd set out over teh summer to deliberately shag the club up you couldn't have done a better job.

imo that process began in earnest last January.