[Archived] Burnley Home Game

[Sir Ranulf Westwood]

Here's one for you to cuss and curse over my friend!

Not really, it puts us a couple of thousand below Rovers even though you have a much larger population and have been in the top flight for numerous more recent years.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Not really, it puts us a couple of thousand below Rovers even though you have a much larger population and have been in the top flight for numerous more recent years.

I think you need to look at your population figures again - and just include Blackburn (and not incl the population of Darwen).

I think as these figures are over a 100 years worth of attendances - recent years are only a percentage difference - or do you not want to include the 59/60' when you last won 1st Div ?

[Sir Ranulf Westwood]

I think you need to look at your population figures again - and just include Blackburn (and not incl the population of Darwen).

I think as these figures are over a 100 years worth of attendances - recent years are only a percentage difference - or do you not want to include the 59/60' when you last won 1st Div ?

Of course, it includes the year Rovers won the premiership so why not. It also includes our stint at the bottom of the 4th.

As for population:

At the time of the UK Government's 2001 census, Blackburn had a population of 105,085,[1] whilst the wider borough had a population of 137,470.[2]

Burnley is a large market town in the borough of Burnley in Lancashire, England, with a population of around 73,500 (2001 census).

[Darth Paul]

I know I probably shouldn't care less but this whole "Burnley have the best supporter turnout" needs putting to bed because it is based on some incredibly misleading facts.

I have used the following website to draw my figures from,

http://www.itraveluk.co.uk/maps/england/lancashire/towns/b/

I think they are as good as any for the purposes of this post but if there are any wildly inaccurate numbers please let me know.

As a Rovers fan I am happy to admit that our main support base is drawn from Blackburn (pop. 103,832), Darwen (29,127) and for arguments sake I am sure we have a pretty strong majority in the likes of Whalley (5,313), Langho (2,056) and Ribchester (1,535), making a total population figure of 141,863 that we can reasonably expect to draw support from.

I would also argue from personal experience that areas such as Clitheroe, Gt.Harwood, Rishton, Accrington, Church, Ossy, and Clayton, across the board would have a fairly even split of fans from the five and six finger digited denominations, not to mention a certain other league club named Accrington Stanley having some influence, either way enough for these areas to be discounted as neither Rovers or Burnley exclusive territory.

Move over to the unenlightened end of the M65 and I also think, unless someone can ably reverse coventional thought and persuade me otherwise, that traditionally Clarets fans would hail from Burnley (pop. 73,396), Padiham (12,240), Nelson (28,359), Colne (18,312), Brierfield (9,253), Barrowford (5,096), Rawtenstall (21,580), Hapton (3,769), and Bacup (13,415), a total, potential catchment figure of 185,420.

Even if these figures are slightly out, and a 44,000 population swing made the two club's traditonal breeding grounds equal, we still win hands down when it comes to bums on seats.

To give an analogy to what kind of spin has gone on at t'Turf for many a year, BRFC could rename itself Ewood Rovers, discount all but the immediate population catchment area of a few thousand, and put Big Sam on tv to make as equally a ridiculous and embarrassing statement as Coyle has.

The problem that the Dingles have, as I mentioned in an earlier post, isn't that relatively they have good supporter turnout, have a reasonable trophy record, history and standing in the game. Relatively they do.

Their problem is that their near neighbours and hated rivals Rovers are better on all fronts.

I do genuinely feel sorry for the Dingles. They do have certain things they can be proud of, but they are forever trying to compare to us. Taking them on in such arguments as these should generally be beneath us, but sometimes you just get sick of hearing the same inaccurate propoganda, and when it is in danger of brainwashing a wider audience, more naive than us hardy souls in the good side of East Lancashire, it is time to put it to a stop.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Nearly 4 Million more through the gates of Ewood than have past through the sorry gates of Turd Moor......read and weep Ranoff,OH READ AND WEEP!!

Kneel humbly and respectfully before your blue 'n' white Masters.

[Sir Ranulf Westwood]

Nearly 4 Million more through the gates of Ewood than have past through the sorry gates of Turd Moor......read and weep Ranoff,OH READ AND WEEP!!

Neal humbly and respectfully before your blue 'n' white Masters.

Teams in bold are current league sides

NB: Pre-war attendance figures based on media estimates

and club records - both sources notoriously inaccurate

Never!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We still win hands down when it comes to bums on seats.The problem that the Dingles have, as I mentioned in an earlier post, isn't that relatively they have good supporter turnout, have a reasonable trophy record, history and standing in the game. Relatively they do.

Their problem is that their near neighbours and hated rivals Rovers are better on all fronts.

Beautifully put Darth Paul,like a sword of truth through the Clarrott heart,it hurts them SO much to be second best to b'stard Rovers.

.............Its gonna be a long night with Ran off folks!!

[OhmiBRFC]

Give the Dingles credit, they've got talent

"Burnley's Got Talent

02nd August 09

The fanzone team look for their new Burnely comentator along with the help of guest judge Jeff Brown."

Even Sky have trouble spelling Burnley! ha ha ha.

[Sir Ranulf Westwood]

Fantastic away support

[hi-jaq]

I know I probably shouldn't care less but this whole "Burnley have the best supporter turnout" needs putting to bed because it is based on some incredibly misleading facts.

I have used the following website to draw my figures from,

http://www.itraveluk.co.uk/maps/england/lancashire/towns/b/

I think they are as good as any for the purposes of this post but if there are any wildly inaccurate numbers please let me know.

As a Rovers fan I am happy to admit that our main support base is drawn from Blackburn (pop. 103,832), Darwen (29,127) and for arguments sake I am sure we have a pretty strong majority in the likes of Whalley (5,313), Langho (2,056) and Ribchester (1,535), making a total population figure of 141,863 that we can reasonably expect to draw support from.

I would also argue from personal experience that areas such as Clitheroe, Gt.Harwood, Rishton, Accrington, Church, Ossy, and Clayton, across the board would have a fairly even split of fans from the five and six finger digited denominations, not to mention a certain other league club named Accrington Stanley having some influence, either way enough for these areas to be discounted as neither Rovers or Burnley exclusive territory.

Move over to the unenlightened end of the M65 and I also think, unless someone can ably reverse coventional thought and persuade me otherwise, that traditionally Clarets fans would hail from Burnley (pop. 73,396), Padiham (12,240), Nelson (28,359), Colne (18,312), Brierfield (9,253), Barrowford (5,096), Rawtenstall (21,580), Hapton (3,769), and Bacup (13,415), a total, potential catchment figure of 185,420.

Even if these figures are slightly out, and a 44,000 population swing made the two club's traditonal breeding grounds equal, we still win hands down when it comes to bums on seats.

To give an analogy to what kind of spin has gone on at t'Turf for many a year, BRFC could rename itself Ewood Rovers, discount all but the immediate population catchment area of a few thousand, and put Big Sam on tv to make as equally a ridiculous and embarrassing statement as Coyle has.

The problem that the Dingles have, as I mentioned in an earlier post, isn't that relatively they have good supporter turnout, have a reasonable trophy record, history and standing in the game. Relatively they do.

Their problem is that their near neighbours and hated rivals Rovers are better on all fronts.

I do genuinely feel sorry for the Dingles. They do have certain things they can be proud of, but they are forever trying to compare to us. Taking them on in such arguments as these should generally be beneath us, but sometimes you just get sick of hearing the same inaccurate propoganda, and when it is in danger of brainwashing a wider audience, more naive than us hardy souls in the good side of East Lancashire, it is time to put it to a stop.

I was about to research this myself & put it in a post much like yours, so well done top quality mate!!! Lets be honest here, there is no getting away from the facts... Burnley is smaller than Blackburn, but they draw their crowds from a wider & more populated area, more populated by around 40.000 people. What has been said is a joke & by my reckoning somewhat alienates the fans they draw from other areas... I spend, I dont know how long arguing this with my friends who choose to support Burnley & they will not have it, hence why I shall print this post off & show it to them.

Now can we put this one to bed & let the football do the talking, when Burnley's 2 million pound mega stars rock up to show Rovers their idea of 'Total Football' & get comprehensively whooped, by the far superior pride of lancashire that is our beloved Blackburn Rovers.

(And can some one point out to the 'Sir Ranulf' character that this is a Blackburn Rovers Supporters website & he should keep his disgustingly painted robin reliants to himself... if I was a Burnley fan, I'd be quite embarrased by it anyway!!! )

[Sir Ranulf Westwood]

(And can some one point out to the 'Sir Ranulf' character that this is a Blackburn Rovers Supporters website & he should keep his disgustingly painted robin reliants to himself... if I was a Burnley fan, I'd be quite embarrased by it anyway!!! )

Jealous of our luxurious official club away travel scheme?

I think so.

[Darth Paul]

Jealous of our luxurious official club away travel scheme?

I think so.

I think it shows a tremendous amount of disregard for your club's carbon footprint. Given recent evidence, I don't think your support warrants anything like such a large vehicle...

[bobsterbrfc]

I think it shows a tremendous amount of disregard for your club's carbon footprint. Given recent evidence, I don't think your support warrants anything like such a large vehicle...

Enjoyed that one!

Though I'm not from East Lancs, the needling between the two sets of supporters already and the clearly emotionally state everyone is getting themselves into.....Bring on October!!!!

[Ronin]

Fantastic away support

[Fife Rover]

Beautifully put Darth Paul,like a sword of truth through the Clarrott heart,it hurts them SO much to be second best to b'stard Rovers.

.............Its gonna be a long night with Ran off folks!!

Aye but you've got to give him 10/10 for trying. And he is fighting alone with no help from his mates against large numbers of us. So give him some credit.

[Kelbo]

Todays Daily Mirror makes a couple of startling facts (Nickos article)

The Dingles averaged 13,084 attendances last year, this would have been around 11,000 but for the play offs etc!

The highest earner at the Turf, Steven Fletcher on £10,000 per week!!!

Interesting!!!

[SamDingle]

As a percentage of our population as recorded in the census of 2001 you can..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

You can feel the geekiness here. You count the crowd. Research the population of various East Lancashire conurbations. Good god.

We really need the season to start.

Kelbo, Burnley have a self-imposed wage cap of £15k a week. Everyone is on quite a bit less in reality. I see Man City's wage bill is £100m.

[thenodrog]

Reading that, we gambled money we never had and got away with it. Just think if we hadn't won the play-offs... ah well.

A point that I (and PhilipL I think) made on here toward the end of last season. Losing the play offs could have been akin to falling off a cliff to oblivion ..... Oh and Lanky Utd would have become a whole lot more viable. How does "BlackBurn United" sound anybody?

If Burnley had still been in Div 1 now that snatch back move to recover Brendon 'Icarus' Flood's excesses might well have been your death knell.

Oh btw from AN's story in the Mirror.

"Coyle kept Burnley's plight from anyone outside the club last season. They had two embargoes from signing new players because they were late with payments to Scunthorpe and Manchester United for Martin Paterson and Chris Eagles."

Small wonder that Messrs Kilby and Flood are now far more interested in squirrelling money away rather than the virtually pointless and exceedingly dangerous exercise of investing in the club staying up. They will be ecstatically happy to be relegated in May with their personal investments clawed back from the brink and a couple of years parachute payments on the way in as personal profit.

......... I doubt that you'll ever see em in the chippy though Sam!

[thenodrog]

You are wrong. In fact Burnley is to be developed as the main maternity unit - so Rovers fans will be born in Burnley.

More like the majority of the GB Khabbadi World Cup team circa 2030.

[Kelbo]

As a percentage of our population as recorded in the census of 2001 you can..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

You can feel the geekiness here. You count the crowd. Research the population of various East Lancashire conurbations. Good god.

We really need the season to start.

Kelbo, Burnley have a self-imposed wage cap of £15k a week. Everyone is on quite a bit less in reality. I see Man City's wage bill is £100m.

Sam,

Its got silly this wage thing in the Prem, even at Rovers where we dont pay top wack, its still silly and as for offering/paying players £100,000 per week, plain stupid!!

Would you take a drop in salary for that Sam?

[Hughesy]

BBC - Burnley manager Owen Coyle has revealed the Premier League new boys have only £16m to spend on new signings and player salaries this season. (Daily Mirror)

[Al]

All joking aside I wouldn't knock it too much. Spending a fortune and still going back down would ruin all the good work of last season. In my opinion the sensible thing for Burnley to do would be to preserve their money in the hope of just staying up but if they did go back down they would be in a much better position to have another tilt at the Premiership the following season.

I believe that to be the prudent way to handle the situation.

[Darth Paul]

As a percentage of our population as recorded in the census of 2001 you can..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

You can feel the geekiness here. You count the crowd. Research the population of various East Lancashire conurbations. Good god.

We really need the season to start.

Kelbo, Burnley have a self-imposed wage cap of £15k a week. Everyone is on quite a bit less in reality. I see Man City's wage bill is £100m.

Finally some kind of rebuttal, but disappointingly it does not come in the form of some brilliantly argued, fact supported riposte, but results in a "err...well we have been living these lies for years and you have proved us wrong so you are geeks,so we still retain the high ground. because geeks is what you is..."

It may surprise our Dingle friends, but with a couple of your missing chromosones present, just four fingers and a thumb on each hand for typing, and a secondary school level of education, the research and writing of my post took less than ten minutes, and has delivered a wedgie of eye watering proportions to your self perpetuated myth of being the footballing mecca of Lancashire, nay the known galaxy.

A good 12 hours since my original post and not one serious counter argument...it has all gone quiet on the Yorkshire front, hasn't it?

In summary...Blackburn Rovers...better supported club than Burnley using any means of testing you wish...categorically proved here on 02/10/09.

[SamDingle]

A good 12 hours since my original post and not one serious counter argument...?

This is sweetly desperate.

[Darth Paul]

This is sweetly desperate.

This is a white flag in the form of a four word quote!