Cricket

[onlyonejackwalker]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

what sweeping changes do you want to see? 

Only Root, Archer and Stokes should remain.

I like to see Stokes remain as captain.

Someone needs to be responsible for what has been served up. Stokes individual performamces have been ok, but the team has been pathetic across all disciplines.

Is Bethall ready to be England number 3?

He can't do any worse.

who should opener with Crawley?

Crawley isn't an opener. Hes proven that for years. Im sick of being 15 for 1.

He should be given a chance at 5. If he fails at 5, bin him for good. If hes too thick to learn ges too thick to play.

what pace bowlers should be our future? 

We went for all out pace on this trip but its backfired spectacularly. Start afresh focusing on accuracy.

when did this last happen? I can't see Australia cricket agreeing to that or England wanted that. 2 warm up games before the first test and a first class game between 3rd test and 4th test

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

On their 6 day bender, the players were given the chance to go on a run at 7am. Three turned up.

Three! Pricks.

No one comes out of this tour with any credit. No one. 

Australia havent even got out of 2nd gear.

 

[onlyonejackwalker]

12 minutes ago, Gav said:

The players being on the piss is criminal for me, as more and more stories come out about the the 6 day piss up when fans have paid thousands to travel. I'd fine them the players fees for the remaining tests as a minimum, astounding they they think thats acceptable. 

English cricket was in a very good place before we left for Oz, the numbers don't tell lies, make changes now and its back to 2 wins in 17 tests, stick with the current regime for me, let me own this Ashes series and make adjustments to suite.

The fans form part of my thinking as well. As usual, the best sporting fans in the world. 

Who on earth gave those players permission to go on the raz mid series? They had only played 6 / 7 days at that point. Badly i might add.

Yup. Mcullum and Stokes. The ones you wish to keep. 

Mcullums record.

44 tests - 25 wins - 17 defeats - 2 draws.

Won 10 out of the first 11.

Won 15, lost 16, drawn 2 of the last 33.

Decent improvenent against the average teams. Little improvement against India and Australia. Bashing up Afganistan, Bangladesh, the West Indies and Outer Mongolia.

All English fans want positive, aggressive cricket. I would rather lose trying to win anyday. 

But these players have no filter. Carte blanche to do as they please. No one ever gets dropped. Once they get these central contracts we are stuck with them for two years.

I believe our players were undercooked and not prepared and are better than they have shown to date. 

And that is the fault of those in charge. The ones you wish to keep.

Stop rewarding failure.

[chaddyrovers]

Thanks for quality and well written reply @onlyonejackwalker

Yes I know about the bender and McCullum has admitted the preparations weren't right but 4 warm up games seems excessive. 2 warm up games plus one in the middle of the series seems about right. 

Key has done interviews today with the media so we will what he says. People will be held accountable but we shouldn't be ripping everything up again cos we do it every time and nothing improved when we played down under last time result wise. Stokes should remain as Captain and Key as DoC but I would move McCullum on and keep him just as White Ball head coach. Can we not forget that we have brilliant wins under Stokes and McCullum including a number of good run chasers that the fans have been entertained and enjoyed. On a new head coach, I would look at these potential candidates like Justin Langer, Jonathon Trott, Gareth Batty, Darren Lehman are few options we should considered

We need to full review in selection of this squad for the series, why Bashir wasn't picked for the last test, why no spare opener batsmen was taken, the pace bowlers picked and why no second spinner picked. Where is Paul Collingwood and who has been doing the fielding drills cos it appears we don't have specialist fielding coach which for me is massive mistake

On Bethell at 3, not sure myself if that's his true position I would give him his chances in the next 2 games but I think Stokes might be better suited to that role. Bethell need to play in that role in county cricket and build his game. Not saying he not good enough but is it the right fit. For me, Pope and Duckett should be drop and go back to County cricket. 

I would stick with Crawley has an opener cos I ain't moving Brook from 5 at this stage but if he was to go at 5, where does Brook bat? I would look at Tom Haines or Ben McKinney to bat with Crawley. Crawley need to play the same way as the last inning now. If Stokes does move to 3, Then Jacks could back at 6 with Smith at 7. 

Look at the pace options, Is Archer going to want to continue to play test cricket? Wood is 35 and injured prone. So where is the future of the pace attack, Sonny Baker is supposedly a very fast bower so maybe it time to bring him through now to replace Wood. Atkinson should be our line and length bowler similar to Glenn McGrath type. Then we have pace bowlers like Sam Cook or Dillon Pennington or Matty Potts, Josh Tongue, Carse, Matthew Fisher, Nathan Gilchrist. 

Is Bashir our best spinner in the country? should Dawson have gone on Tour? Is Sussex's spinner Jack Carson the best in the county game. 

Plenty of questions to answer after this series has finished 

Edited Tuesday at 07:28 by chaddyrovers

[jim mk2]

Rob Key on the radio this morning was deeply unimpressive, stumbling his way through the interview, inarticulate, lack of  explanation for the drinking story let alone addressing or showing any understanding of the multiple failures on this tour

“……  you know,  we’ll have a look at this, you know, the players need time off, you know, maybe it shouldn’t have happened, you know, we’ll have a look at it, you know, we’re disappointed of course, you know, we’ll have a look at this, you know, maybe lessons need to be learnt, you know, we’ll have a look at this, you know, you know, you know… 

Classic British management, over promoted, out of his depth, not up to the job, probably overpaid, clueless and hopeless

P45s for him and McCullum 

[Mattyblue]

Played 19 (soon to be 21) Tests under Bazball against India and Australia, won 6.

There was nothing results wise under this regime that pointed to any new dawn. The Root era ended in a poor way, scared, negative cricket. However, this lot have just over-corrected, they still don’t win against the big boys.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thanks for quality and well written reply @onlyonejackwalker

Yes I know about the bender and McCullum has admitted the preparations weren't right but 4 warm up games seems excessive. 2 warm up games plus one in the middle of the series seems about right. 

Key has done interviews today with the media so we will what he says. People will be held accountable but we shouldn't be ripping everything up again cos we do it every time and nothing improved when we played down under last time result wise. Stokes should remain as Captain and Key as DoC but I would move McCullum on and keep him just as White Ball head coach. Can we not forget that we have brilliant wins under Stokes and McCullum including a number of good run chasers that the fans have been entertained and enjoyed. On a new head coach, I would look at these potential candidates like Justin Langer, Jonathon Trott, Gareth Batty, Darren Lehman are few options we should considered

We need to full review in selection of this squad for the series, why Bashir wasn't picked for the last test, why no spare opener batsmen was taken, the pace bowlers picked and why no second spinner picked. Where is Paul Collingwood and who has been doing the fielding drills cos it appears we don't have specialist fielding coach which for me is massive mistake

On Bethell at 3, not sure myself if that's his true position I would give him his chances in the next 2 games but I think Stokes might be better suited to that role. Bethell need to play in that role in county cricket and build his game. Not saying he not good enough but is it the right fit. For me, Pope and Duckett should be drop and go back to County cricket. 

I would stick with Crawley has an opener cos I ain't moving Brook from 5 at this stage but if he was to go at 5, where does Brook bat? I would look at Tom Haines or Ben McKinney to bat with Crawley. Crawley need to play the same way as the last inning now. If Stokes does move to 3, Then Jacks could back at 6 with Smith at 7. 

Look at the pace options, Is Archer going to want to continue to play test cricket? Wood is 35 and injured prone. So where is the future of the pace attack, Sonny Baker is supposedly a very fast bower so maybe it time to bring him through now to replace Wood. Atkinson should be our line and length bowler similar to Glenn McGrath type. Then we have pace bowlers like Sam Cook or Dillon Pennington or Matty Potts, Josh Tongue, Carse, Matthew Fisher, Nathan Gilchrist. 

Is Bashir our best spinner in the country? should Dawson have gone on Tour? Is Sussex's spinner Jack Carson the best in the county game. 

Plenty of questions to answer after this series has finished 

The cricket we play at the moment in England is not conducive to producing spin bowlers.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The cricket we play at the moment in England is not conducive to producing spin bowlers.

The county game needs massive reform. The biggest problem is the hundred. That's take up all of August when you should be playing 2 or 3 test matches then. We should always have 7 test matches summer. 

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

 

[K-Hod]

Duckett must have recovered from his hangover 😅.

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Duckett must have recovered from his hangover 😅.

Who in this squad could replace him? we didn't a spare opener. At least Pope has been dropped

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Who in this squad could replace him? we didn't a spare opener. At least Pope has been dropped

It was only a joke, not a suggestion he should be dropped, no need to over think it.

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

It was only a joke, not a suggestion he should be dropped, no need to over think it.

My point was if we had spare opener I would have dropped him

[Gav]

With no Archer for the rest of the series its going to be tough for this group. Even with the Ashes gone, I was still looking forward to the cricket remaining, we have something to prove, but with Archer out we will struggle.

The last 4yrs have been superb on the test front, if more than a little unorthodox and frustrating at times. I like the fact we’ve had the balls to try something different, broken records all over the place and won test matches, after all that was the plan after the Root era where English cricket was on its arse, 17-2 and all that.

If this piss up and stag doo proves to be nothing more than the press making mischief, I’d stick with the current setup. They will have learnt so much on this tour, we need some middle ground and I think we’ll get it.

 

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, Gav said:

With no Archer for the rest of the series its going to be tough for this group. Even with the Ashes gone, I was still looking forward to the cricket remaining, we have something to prove, but with Archer out we will struggle.

The last 4yrs have been superb on the test front, if more than a little unorthodox and frustrating at times. I like the fact we’ve had the balls to try something different, broken records all over the place and won test matches, after all that was the plan after the Root era where English cricket was on its arse, 17-2 and all that.

If this piss up and stag doo proves to be nothing more than the press making mischief, I’d stick with the current setup. They will have learnt so much on this tour, we need some middle ground and I think we’ll get it.

 

Our bowlers don't have miles in their bodies for test matches. they need to bowl and bowl to get match sharpness in county cricket. 

[chaddyrovers]

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Asa Tribe looks very good technique from those clips 

Sonny Baker is meant to be quick 

 

[Gav]

Come on England, plenty still to play for. We won the toss and have put the Aussies in. 

[Norbert Rassragr]

Fucking losers. Honestly the whole system in this country produces inept jellyfish. From school to county to England. 

[onlyonejackwalker]

There are no words!!!!

Well done to the bowlers.

If this is the best we can do when batting, heaven help us.

A new broom sweeps clean.

[chaddyrovers]

The bowlers did very well but the batsman apart from Brook and Atkinson. This is seamers friendly pitch. 

1 hour ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

A new broom sweeps clean.

In terms of what? 

We have rip it every time and got no better. The county game needs massive reform and reorganise. Less games, better pitches and playing at the right time. 

Who are the better batsmen then already in the team? The top 3 batsmen in Division 1 are players who have played test cricket and failed. Do we go back to them?.

[dave birch]

Chaddy, that pitch is a bowlers paradise.

It doesn't favour either  batting side, nor does it help Test cricket.

If the pitch gets anything better than a "poor" rating, then I'd be dissapointed

 

[Gav]

I seem to recall the last time we played in Melbourne it was much the same? We were bowled out for around 70 and lost the test in 3 days.

Its clearly not a wicket that should be anywhere near a test match.

[onlyonejackwalker]

58 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The bowlers did very well but the batsman apart from Brook and Atkinson. This is seamers friendly pitch. 

In terms of what? 

We have rip it every time and got no better. The county game needs massive reform and reorganise. Less games, better pitches and playing at the right time. 

Who are the better batsmen then already in the team? The top 3 batsmen in Division 1 are players who have played test cricket and failed. Do we go back to them?.

Failed?

Why not give them 60 test matches like Crawley has had and then tell me they have failed.

A seamers pitch? We've struggled on fast pitches, bouncey pitches, now moving pitches.

What are you not understanding Chaddy?

Rob Key said we are performing at 20% of these players abilities. Who are you blaming for that? 

Who? The Aussie press? A green wicket? The players? The captain? The selectors? The County game?

We are under prepared, poorly managed, lacking character and struggling to even do the basics. Topped off with the drinking and slobbing about.

Who are you blaming for that?

The successes of the last few years have coincided with having the best batsman in the world performing at his peak during that time. The only one, who, despite the odd rash moment, has played professionally.

It's a malaise brought on by the unprofessional approach of this regime over two or three years. Cowardice, masked as bravery, stupidity shrouded as creativity, recklessness purported as positivity, carelessness disguised as strategy, desperation spun as confidence, fogginess as intellect.

The old 'bullshit baffles brains' and its worked.

The arrogance of this shower, thinking they can re-invent test cricket. Well, i guess they have. We now get two day test matches and regularly struggle to get 200. These fucking idiots struggle to get double figures.

It's confused the vast majority of our fans lacking the intrinsic nuances and knowledge of the game at the HIGHEST levels. A few last chance wins against lesser opponents, thrilling run chases and being better than what came before sufficing.

Until you get to the very highest level. And it slowy dawns that you are lost.

Because you can't ramp Starc at 90 miles an hour without losing your teeth. So its immediately back to the basics, which you've not practised and grooved for 3+ years.

And you are then royally fucked. Goosed. Up shit creak without a paddle. Nowhere to turn. Rabbits in headlights.

Trust me, it's a very bad place to be when you don't know your own game and can't trust your own technique. I'm all for continuous professional development, but that is refined amd developed in practice, in the nets.

You don't want to rip up the test team, but do want to rip up the entire cricketing structure in the UK.

And whilst there is merit in all your suggestions, to a greater or lesser degree, shit rolls downhill and we must now make it clear that what has been served up is not just losing cricket, its losing cricket without positives.

I've gone full circle. I hope we get pasted. Heap on the humiliation. Then get rid of Key, Mcullum, Stokes as captain, fitness coaches, batting coaches, fielding coaches, catching coaches, dieticians.

All of them. Start afresh.

Atherton, Hussain, Vaughan. Lets get some intelligence back into the leadership and change cultures.

Keep Root and Archer for sure. Stokes as an all rounder if his body is up to it. The bowlers in general deserve consideration.

Your good at asking quesrions Chaddy. Riddle me this.

Who is to blame for losing the Ashes in eleven days? Who are you blaming?

 

Edited 1 hour ago by onlyonejackwalker
Typing. Blind as an England batsnen. COYB.

[chaddyrovers]

48 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Who is to blame for losing the Ashes in eleven days? Who are you blaming?

This was your last point but I think this should be the first point. 

Everyone in English cricket is to blame. The County structure/set up isn't right. We need to be playing 10 first class games a season with the best 2 teams playing off to win the overall competition. The hundred is the ECB main focus and not the first class game. then add T20 competitions not just in England but all around the world. I've just been watching BBL and some English players playing in it. That's people focus mainly

48 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Failed?

Why not give them 60 test matches like Crawley has had and then tell me they have failed.

A seamers pitch? We've struggled on fast pitches, bouncey pitches, now moving pitches.

What are you not understanding Chaddy?

Dom Sibley, Hameed and Lyth was the best 5 batsmen in Div 1, so we go back to them for this series in place of Duckett or Crawley do we? why? 

We struggled on these type of pitches cos they don't play enough county cricket or those pitches aren't being produce hence my point about when we should be playing them and not in the last week in September or first week in October. 

48 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Rob Key said we are performing at 20% of these players abilities. Who are you blaming for that? 

Who? The Aussie press? A green wicket? The players? The captain? The selectors? The County game?

We are under prepared, poorly managed, lacking character and struggling to even do the basics. Topped off with the drinking and slobbing about.

Who are you blaming for that?

I am blaming ECB chiefs, Key, McCullum, Players and the county game. Everyone is to blame. Ripping it up achieve what? we do it time after time, do results get better in Australia every 4 years? 

The preparations wasn't right and that been discussed and admitted was wrong but we prepare the same way and its worked. We should have had 2 warm up games for this series, Australia Cricket board aren't going to allow us to loads of warm up games and they wouldn't allow to play at any test ground pre series, See Rob Key's comments 

Of course they should be full review and what could be improve and what needs to change. I don't think we need to cull everything. Probably a new test coach, few players changes like a new opener replacing Duckett, decide who bats 3, does Stokes as Captain and as all rounder, what is Will Jacks role? who is our best wicketkeeper? who is our best 5 or 6 pace bowlers for different conditions, then we need to decide who is best 2 or 3 spinners in the country and back them. 

48 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

I've gone full curcle. I hope we get pasted. Heap on the humiliation. Then get rid of Key, Mcullum, Stokes as captain, fitness coaches, batting coaches, fielding coaches, catching coaches, dieticians.

All of them. Start afresh.

Atherton, Hussain, Vaughan. Lets get some intelligence back into the leadership and change cultures.

Listen or read to Cook and Swann's comments today

https://x.com/cricketontnt/status/2004374945745240372?s=20

Sir Alastair Cook pinpoints 'massive disconnect' as major reason for England's Ashes woes

We get rid of the set up after every Ashes series away and do we actually improve? 

48 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Keep Root and Archer for sure. Stokes as an all rounder if his body is up to it. The bowlers in general deserve consideration.

Your good at asking quesrions Chaddy. Riddle me this.

Archer can't finish a test series. Is Root or Stokes going to be around in Australia in 4 years time, highly unlikely. 

So where are the up and coming batsmen and bowlers and do we bring them in slowly over the next couple of years. Does Stokes stay as Captain? probably. Is Brook ready to take over, probably not. Do we drop Duckett for McKinney or for another opener? is Bethall ready fpr 3 position or should Stokes bat there, Is Smith the best keeper out there? who is our best spinner? who are the future bowlers and why is next 90's mph bowler to replace Archer and Wood long term? 

alot of questions for Key, Stokes and McCullum/or the next head coach to answer?