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Jesus Christ, give the girl a break. Who knows what she's like? Having her character assassinated and reasons for being with her fella by a bunch of internet nobodies because of how she looks, pretty

There should be no excuses and no cliches imo. The window so far has been...underwhelming.  Do I think we’d go down with this squad? No? Is it better than the one which went down? Yes, I believe

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1 minute ago, JHRover said:

I'm saying I don't think it exists at the level reported. The reason for that being once again it hasn't been spent.

We can come up with all sorts of theories as to why but in the end those clubs with money determined to invest it strengthening their ranks just get on with it and do it.

Obviously the best way of proving a moaning, negative conspiracy theorist like me wrong is to actually go out and do it, rather than talk about it.

Do you think TM would buy into these lets pretend bids JH ..i seriously cannot see him even remotely entertaining Lets pull the wool over our supporters eyes.

And what if QPR accepted the 4M bid(which seemed  a legit bid by all accounts)would we then give back word to QPR.. sorry we was just playing a game ?

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Just now, HowieFive0 said:

Do you think TM would buy into these lets pretend bids JH ..i seriously cannot see him even remotely entertaining Lets pull the wool over our supporters eyes.

And what if QPR accepted the 4M bid(which seemed  a legit bid by all accounts)would we then give back word to QPR.. sorry we was just playing a game ?

I haven't said that. I believe Mowbray was interested in those players and that we made late bids for them. Its this talk of £5 million I'm struggling to believe, as it doesn't stack up. No doubt Mowbray likes those players and no doubt we tried to get them, and failed.

Whatever bid we made to QPR wasn't enough, so it doesn't matter how much it was.

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2 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I haven't said that. I believe Mowbray was interested in those players and that we made late bids for them. Its this talk of £5 million I'm struggling to believe, as it doesn't stack up. No doubt Mowbray likes those players and no doubt we tried to get them, and failed.

Whatever bid we made to QPR wasn't enough, so it doesn't matter how much it was.

Just to point out JH i know you havent said that about TM ..i was just putting the question to you thats all ...apologies if i didnt get that across properly.

Just seems a dangerous game offering X amount hoping the selling club dont go ..il tell you what we ll take that .

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8 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I haven't said that. I believe Mowbray was interested in those players and that we made late bids for them. Its this talk of £5 million I'm struggling to believe, as it doesn't stack up. No doubt Mowbray likes those players and no doubt we tried to get them, and failed.

Whatever bid we made to QPR wasn't enough, so it doesn't matter how much it was.

Mowbray isn't stupid though he would have known the likes of Freeman (qpr star man last season) and brereton a promising young player would cost 4mill + in today's market do you think he would have wasted his time bidding for them if we only had 1 million or 2 million to spend?

We are all gutted no permanent signings came in but Mowbray has stated many times there is money to spend.He has been nothing but honest since he got here 

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2 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Perhaps not Mowbray ...but would you put it past Cheston, Waggott and Suhail?

But would TM put up with that sort of carry on ? Strikes me as a man of very high morals who if we re lead to believe he wont even entertain players who dont come upto scratch character wise regardless of how good they are !

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1 hour ago, Pedro said:

Is this window so far our biggest net spend since the season we bought Rhodes? I estimate we've spent about £2.5m on the permanent signings and brought in nothing via player sales.  

Sadly you could be right.

 

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1 minute ago, HowieFive0 said:

But would TM put up with that sort of carry on ? Strikes me as a man of very high morals who if we re lead to believe he wont even entertain players who dont come upto scratch character wise regardless of how good they are !

Exactly this and don't Waggot and Mowbray have a close working relationship. 

I know not everyone is a fan of Nixon and I certainly take everything he says with a shovel of salt but he is making out that Venkys authorised further funds so maybe with extra funding we changed tact and looked for a higher calibre and more expensive acquisitions but ran out of time.

We can only wait and see what Mowbray says about it. Would have thought we would have heard something by now tho 

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Just now, islander200 said:

Exactly this and don't Waggot and Mowbray have a close working relationship. 

I know not everyone is a fan of Nixon and I certainly take everything he says with a shovel of salt but he is making out that Venkys authorised further funds so maybe with extra funding we changed tact and looked for a higher calibre and more expensive acquisitions but ran out of time.

We can only wait and see what Mowbray says about it. Would have thought we would have heard something by now tho 

Lets hope TM doesnt resign !!!:lol:

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1 hour ago, Butty said:

Now we've not been able to get our preferred targets the likelihood of Chapman coming back is probably 90%. Loan that's made perm in Jan you'd think. Always seemed as though we could have brought Chapman back as soon as we wanted but instead pursued other avenues, that hasn't worked so welcome back Harry.. If he can fulfill the potential we know he's got we could be fielding 4 or 5 million bids for him in a couple of years. Desperately need a striker though, if Chris Martin isn't in the picture at Derby a loan with a view to a perm would be great, I don't think he'd cost much more than 4 million so IF we have the finance, it's a no brainer.

Think the Chapman ship may have sailed tbh.  Look at it from his point of view.  He's now on the bench for his 'hone club'.  A club far more likely to get promoted than us.  He's highly thought of by the Boro fans who want to see him given a run and his family are in the area.  He's been told he is on our manager's  D list somewhere and would only be a bench player here.  

Not sure why he would leave tbh.  Maybe in Jan if he's been bombed out the side but I will be pleasantly surprised if he turns up in the next 3 weeks.

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27 minutes ago, HowieFive0 said:

True it doesnt look good but i do enjoy that openess of TM sticking his neck out and saying exactly what we need.

I think we d all be even more irate if he was saying nothing ,no signings and no idea which direction TM wants to go with this squad.

Now lets get some bloody players in ..

The key word in your post is "need'. Not "wish for"-----"need".

He knows what we need, has had months to work  at it and it hasn't happened.

We are looking at last minute loans, something he decried.

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Just now, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Think the Chapman ship may have sailed tbh.  Look at it from his point of view.  He's now on the bench for his 'hone club'.  A club far more likely to get promoted than us.  He's highly thought of by the Boro fans who want to see him given a run and his family are in the area.  He's been told he is on our manager's  D list somewhere and would only be a bench player here.  

Not sure why he would leave tbh.  Maybe in Jan if he's been bombed out the side but I will be pleasantly surprised if he turns up in the next 3 weeks.

If they sign Bolaise on loan he won't be in the squad I suspect 

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24 minutes ago, Darwen Rover 007 said:

I actually think getting players in on loan proving themselves and then getting a perm deal is a really good approach.. every transfer is a risk and lets be honest we are not in a position to make too many bad calls on players.

It's the only approach we have left. We'll see how many loan deals we get and if any have the option of an agreed fee at the end. 

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28 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I'm saying I don't think it exists at the level reported. The reason for that being once again it hasn't been spent.

We can come up with all sorts of theories as to why but in the end those clubs with money determined to invest it strengthening their ranks just get on with it and do it.

Obviously the best way of proving a moaning, negative conspiracy theorist like me wrong is to actually go out and do it, rather than talk about it.

There was a cash injection from Venkys of circa £4 million about 2 weeks ago.  You would assume now that is the budget money.  Any £5mil bids would have to be structured over X years as there is no way we have that cash up front.  Probably another sticking point with our offers to clubs tbh.

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46 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Nice spin. Yet another straw man in fact.

We need to scout our targets, understand their market worth and make a bid that is likely to hit the mark.

However, my point was that we have no idea if we have money or not. Yet some like to confidently state that we do and ram it down the throats of the “non-believers”.

If we had brought in one of our targets - even if at a slightly higher votive than we’d have ideally liked (we have the cash after all) then we would have some proof. As it is, like most windows we have:

- gaps in the first team (for this level)

- expectation raising empty words, excuses and lack of actual proven quality signings

- our hopes pinned on the loan market (and freebies)

- no more proof than in the past four years of Venkys intent

Yet some, like you, choose to ignore what has actually happened and continue to play games and throw rocks.

I actually want you to be right! Just once would be a start!!

I have no likes left but i agree completely...some fans want to pretend tha last 7 years never happened.

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Just now, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

There was a cash injection from Venkys of circa £4 million about 2 weeks ago.  You would assume now that is the budget money.  Any £5mil bids would have to be structured over X years as there is no way we have that cash up front.  Probably another sticking point with our offers to clubs tbh.

Most deals are structured that way thought.Not many transfers are paid all up front 

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