Premier League

[speeeeeeedie]

Here are all teams promoted from the Championship in the last 10 years;

2014-15: Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich City

2015-16: Burnley, Middlesbrough, Hull City

2016-17: Newcastle United, Brighton and Hove Albion, Huddersfield Town

2017-18: Wolverhampton Wanderers, Cardiff City, Fulham

2018-19: Norwich City, Sheffield United, Aston Villa

2019-20: Leeds United, West Bromwich Albion, Fulham

2020-21: Norwich City, Watford, Brentford

2021-22: Fulham, Bournemouth, Nottingham Forest

2022-23: Sheffield United, Burnley, Luton Town

2023-24: Leicester City, Ipswich Town, Southampton

2024-25: Leeds United, Burnley, ????

Newcastle, Wolves, Brighton, Brentford, Villa, and so far Forest, came up and stayed up. 

Bournemouth, Burnley, Fulham, Sheffield Utd, Watford, Norwich, and now Leeds have yoyo'd with varying degrees of success. 

Boro, Huddersfield, West Brom, Hull, Luton, and Cardiff all went down never to be seen again. 3 of them will be playing League 1 football next season. 

What will happen to this season's 3? 

I think a big part of staying up is having a solid set up behind the scenes. You can spend millions on players, but without a cohesive plan and a clear direction teams will struggle. Luton have found that out very abruptly. They were lucky to get promoted. Didn't really know what to do. Went down, and now down again.

[chaddyrovers]

14 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Yes, but it doesn't make it right, does it?

Match going fans are cast aside more and more, because Sky TV is calling the shots.

Shit situation tbh.

Clubs want more Revenue from TV rights and there is only one way to do this plus football isn't just Saturday 3pm sport anymore. PL is a global brand and why it's the best league in the world 

14 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

It hasn’t ’been like this for years’ at all.

Before this season you’d see three EFL games maximum (often two) a week on TV - now there’s five at 12.30 on a Saturday alone.

Next season will see every non 3pm Saturday game in the PL on TV, which considering there seems to be more games on MOTD2 than MOTD these days will be far more than ever before.

It has never been like this.

There is 7 EFL 12.30 kick off normally plus Friday night game

On PL, with 8 PL teams in Europe including possibly 6 teams in the champions league, games were be moved around. 

10 hours ago, Eddie said:

I do actually think Chaddy raises a fair point on this one. 

There have been clubs that have successfully made the transition (just look at Forest), but a lot of promoted clubs end up overpaying for the Championship's best performers. I think part of that is an intentional strategy for yo-yoing, but it makes survival a major challenge. 

Take Ipswich for example. Did many really believe the Szmodics was a Premier League player? Or even someone you'd want coming on for the final 15/20 minutes in a Premier League match? He's wonderful at this level, but he was always going to struggle to make the step up. When you sign players like that, you make your way back down to their level. 

Exactly my points Eddie. Teams come up but don't invest in PL Quality but top end Championship quality instead. 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Ipswich did spend quite big but all they can attract/afford in wages is top end Championship players.

The Premier League has been terrible this season. 

But did Ipswich spent it on PL quality? 15m for Muric? Was he worth all that money? Hutchinson for 20m? 

Delap has proven he was worth and now looks off to Utd in the summer. 

[Mattyblue]

Pedantically correcting my post… but accidentally emphasising the point I was making, so thanks for that 👌

[roversfan99]

Certainly hasnt been the best league in the world this season. 

No title race and the gap between the Premier League and the Championship growing and growing due to the financial inequalities that grow and grow.

[chaddyrovers]

What league is better? 

Maybe those teams should have bought better instead of overpaying for players Muric. 

Forest done excellent this season. Deserved their European place. Pleased for that club. 

 

[GHR]

Well, a cursory glance at the Serie A table shows that, with two games to play:

- One of two teams can still be crowned champions, with a play off to determine who still a possibility.

- Two points separate 4th from 7th, which includes the final CL spot and singular spots for the Europa and Conference Leagues. 7th get nothing.

- Two from (realistically) three teams at the bottom are still to be relegated.

Italy might not have the snazzy packaging of the Premier League or allure of Pep or Salah or whatever shite Sky are peddling this week, but if I wanted to look at something pretty I'd go for a wallk in the country. 'Perfection' does not necessarily equal 'Intrigue' or 'Entertainment'.

[roversfan99]

The problem is that when sky repeatedly say the best league in the world, those lacking critical faculty swallow it up and assume its constantly the case.

All I know is that this season, the Premier League has been shite. A title "race" and relegation "fight" all done and dusted with so many games still left to play. The main supposed talking point from the weekend just gone was a player being booed by his own fans. 

That isnt down to the growing financial inequality that makes it harder and harder for teams to avoid embarassing relegation once they go up. Its because one of them signed a poor quality keeper.

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, GHR said:

Well, a cursory glance at the Serie A table shows that, with two games to play:

- One of two teams can still be crowned champions, with a play off to determine who still a possibility.

- Two points separate 4th from 7th, which includes the final CL spot and singular spots for the Europa and Conference Leagues. 7th get nothing.

- Two from (realistically) three teams at the bottom are still to be relegated.

Italy might not have the snazzy packaging of the Premier League or allure of Pep or Salah or whatever shite Sky are peddling this week, but if I wanted to look at something pretty I'd go for a wallk in the country. 'Perfection' does not necessarily equal 'Intrigue' or 'Entertainment'.

From what I've seen Serie A has been the best league around in terms of competition and exciting football.

The premier league was probably the most boring one ever. The title was all but wrapped up in November and the three relegated teams were pretty much confirmed by Christmas. Woeful.

[Mattyblue]

He’s struggling to differentiate between a league with the ‘most expensive players’ and a league that is the ‘best competition’.

[Wheelton Blue]

To describe the PL as the 'best league in the world' is subjective guff. 

It's just a meaningless marketing statement used to sell Sky subscriptions.

[KentExile]

1 minute ago, Wheelton Blue said:

To describe the PL as the 'best league in the world' is subjective guff. 

It's just a meaningless marketing statement used to sell Sky subscriptions.

Surely you are not implying that those people inside the magic picture box are being anything less than 100% truthful and honest?

My worldview is collapsing 😉 

[Wheelton Blue]

4 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Surely you are not implying that those people inside the magic picture box are being anything less than 100% truthful and honest?

My worldview is collapsing 😉 

You're probably right, I need to be less cycnical in my old age.

The PL is 'THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE WORLD!!!' 🤣

[chaddyrovers]

Guys, I have my opinion on the PL and I've enjoyed the season plus watching as a neutral fan..Apart from watching the EFL and the odd Bundesliga game it's the only football I watched and I throughly enjoyed it and watching different games. You guys have different opinions, oki doki no problem. 

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The problem is that when sky repeatedly say the best league in the world, those lacking critical faculty swallow it up and assume its constantly the case.

All I know is that this season, the Premier League has been shite. A title "race" and relegation "fight" all done and dusted with so many games still left to play. The main supposed talking point from the weekend just gone was a player being booed by his own fans. 

That isnt down to the growing financial inequality that makes it harder and harder for teams to avoid embarassing relegation once they go up. Its because one of them signed a poor quality keeper.

You seem to lack the understanding that these promotion teams didn't buy PL quality players. Thats the point you missed again. Eddie understood my points. Maybe try again

 

2 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

To describe the PL as the 'best league in the world' is subjective guff. 

It's just a meaningless marketing statement used to sell Sky subscriptions.

If you need to watch many sport you need to subscribe to a provider like many do like myself. I enjoyed my subscription I have plus the range of sports I enjoyed watching whilst is more than just football 

[roversfan99]

So youve enjoyed a Premier League season whereby the title and the bottom 3 places were sorted well before the end of the season? 

The promoted teams cant afford to buy enough Premier League standard players to bridge the gap such is the inequality caused by the money at the top.

[Wheelton Blue]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

If you need to watch many sport you need to subscribe to a provider like many do like myself. I enjoyed my subscription I have plus the range of sports I enjoyed watching whilst is more than just football 

Of course that's the case, unfortunately. Modern sport dances to Sky's tune.

For Sky to describe the PL as the 'best league in the world', though, is a marketing strapline, one used to encourage take up of their service. That was the point I was making.

[speeeeeeedie]

19 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Certainly hasnt been the best league in the world this season. 

No title race and the gap between the Premier League and the Championship growing and growing due to the financial inequalities that grow and grow.

It has been a drab season. There have been very few good games too. Spurs 3-6 Liverpool was good entertainment. I can't think of more at the moment though.

Lots of breaks punctured any momentum, the main culprit being too many international breaks, especially early in the season.

Oppositely, if top spot and the bottom 3 are ignored it's been a very competitive season. 

[roversfan99]

If you have to discount the 2 parts of the table that really matter though, drab is a fair analysis.

[MarkBRFC]

13 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Lots of breaks punctured any momentum, the main culprit being too many international breaks, especially early in the season.

 

From the 26/27 season the September & October international breaks are being combined into one at the end of September, but they last for 3 weeks!

[Mattyblue]

All so we can have a ‘qualifying’ procession for any half decent side to a 48 team World Cup.

Edited 9 hours ago by Mattyblue

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

So youve enjoyed a Premier League season whereby the title and the bottom 3 places were sorted well before the end of the season? 

The promoted teams cant afford to buy enough Premier League standard players to bridge the gap such is the inequality caused by the money at the top.

Isn't what I have said previously??? Newcastle and Forest doing very well and qualifying for European, Manchester City having their shocking poor patch of forum, Manchester United falling of a cliff, Liverpool winning the league. 

I've told you my opinion on bottom 3 and it ain't changing 

8 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Of course that's the case, unfortunately. Modern sport dances to Sky's tune.

Modern sport understand the important of TV and attracting and growing the sport population. Look at another passion of Formula one and the success of behind the scenes coverage of F1 on Netflix. Done similar with Golf and football clubs with their own behind the scenes documentary whether it Salford or Wrexham or Arsenal or Man City. 

4 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

From the 26/27 season the September & October international breaks are being combined into one at the end of September, but they last for 3 weeks!

More boring unimaginative international football bollocks 

[47er]

I've enjoyed the Premier League this season. It seems to me there's a more inventive and attacking style these days. Used to be some very boring games with teams flooding the defence and hardly a shot being made.

That's gone now, play is end to end, the goals open up in a twinkling of an eye, players shoot from anywhere. Clubs like Palace, Bournemouth, Wolves have co chance of winning the League but are really attractive to watch.

[roversfan99]

But its not much of a competition if the champions and all 3 relegation spots are sorted with weeks and months to spare.