Venky’s (& Suhail) Out Protest Ideas

[StHelensRover]

34 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Hands up, I didn't even recognise the player delivering this nonsense - although to an extent it demonstrates my ignorance, that's what they've reduced us to.

Serious question:

Is this claptrap in response to a specific incident or is it just a "We dont want to hear any criticism inside the stadium?" type thing?

It's probably from reading people like me on here, saying that I think Ismael is a dud manager and that Gueye is one of the worst players in the club's history. It is harsh sentiment, but it's not abuse and it's an opinion about a professional's ability to do a job they're paid to do. I spend all my hard earned money following this dud manager and these crap players round the country, so I can say what I like about them as long as it's not illegal or bigoted.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by StHelensRover

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

It's probably from reading people like me on here, saying that I think Ismael is a dud manager and that Gueye is one of the worst players in the club's history. It is harsh sentiment, but it's not abuse and it's an opinion about a professional's ability to do a job they're paid to do. I spend all my hard earned money following this dud manager and these crap players round the country, so I'll say what I like about them as long as it's not illegal or bigoted.

 

Right, thanks.

What next, Police knocking on our doors because the powers that be dont like what we say on here or elsewhere on social media a la Two Tier Keir?

Edit: Don't agree on Gueye but in my opinion Ismael IS one of the worst managers in the Club's history - the stats prove it.

Edited 5 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[JHRover]

4 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Yep, from Eustace going onwards it has been such a total farce they no longer can keep a lid on it.

They got lucky with a few decent managers in a row that managed to keep the show on the road and crowds stayed fairly stable (still far too low, but steady), leaving the regime to quietly get on with their cutbacks.

But like everything in life, too many cut backs and overall neglect has led to the  dam breaking (quite literally in some ways) and they are scuttling around like insects when a rock is lifted.

I would even go as far as to say they are missing Waggott's 'steady hand' on the rudder

That's not to say that slippery Steve was a suitable manager of the club or representative of it, but he at least had some know-how and PR abilities which enabled him to pacify the fanbase and dilute anger quite effectively. A human shield who was quite skilled in calming things down and giving people answers (even if nothing actually happened from there). 

Since he exited the scene the remaining lot haven't got close to his skills and so it has rapidly descended into conflict because everyone can see what they are really like down there now.

[RevidgeBlue]

18 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I would even go as far as to say they are missing Waggott's 'steady hand' on the rudder

That's not to say that slippery Steve was a suitable manager of the club or representative of it, but he at least had some know-how and PR abilities which enabled him to pacify the fanbase and dilute anger quite effectively. A human shield who was quite skilled in calming things down and giving people answers (even if nothing actually happened from there). 

Since he exited the scene the remaining lot haven't got close to his skills and so it has rapidly descended into conflict because everyone can see what they are really like down there now.

Let's have it right, Waggott was the penny pinching, downsizing architect of our destruction. I never bought a single word of his bullshit personally but just because he was arguably slightly better at putting the thinnest veneer of respectability on things, that doesn't mean that in reality things are any worse now than before.

We're just continuing on apace down the road to oblivion he set us on.

[roversfan99]

Venkys are the downsizing architecht of our destruction and it began well before Waggott came in.

Yet more baffling deflection.

[Mercer]

I think our club has 'gone' and we are drifting aimlessly into oblivion where we will disappear with barely a whimper.

Sad but true.

It seems our supporters don't have the stomach for a fight and apathy reigns supreme.

IMO, the only answer and perhaps catalyst for change is for all to keep away from Ewood and let the mass of empty seats speak for itself

[RevidgeBlue]

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Venkys are the downsizing architecht of our destruction and it began well before Waggott came in.

Yet more baffling deflection.

You're mistakenly assuming Venky's cared enough to micromanage Waggott's every decision.

He could have gone down a completely different route and tried to grow the Club long term to meet his financial targets but took the exact opposite strategy of trying to steadily squeeze more and more money out of an ever diminishing fan base.

Every Club he's been at temporarily tanked under his stewardship then recovered thereafter.

More baffling attempts from you to exonerate anyone other than the owners from any blame whatsoever.

[JHRover]

53 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Let's have it right, Waggott was the penny pinching, downsizing architect of our destruction. I never bought a single word of his bullshit personally but just because he was arguably slightly better at putting the thinnest veneer of respectability on things, that doesn't mean that in reality things are any worse now than before.

We're just continuing on apace down the road to oblivion he set us on.

Oh I agree, my views on him have been made clear many times.

Just from the perspective of the remaining regime, thrashing around as they are, I imagine things were much much easier for them when they had the shield of a Waggott there to absorb the boos and complaints and a Mowbray type figure to sit in the dugout and deliver competent results whilst tolerating their rubbish.

Now without those two or even a JDT / Eustace to diver attention to results they're struggling big time. 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

I would even go as far as to say they are missing Waggott's 'steady hand' on the rudder

That's not to say that slippery Steve was a suitable manager of the club or representative of it, but he at least had some know-how and PR abilities which enabled him to pacify the fanbase and dilute anger quite effectively. A human shield who was quite skilled in calming things down and giving people answers (even if nothing actually happened from there). 

Since he exited the scene the remaining lot haven't got close to his skills and so it has rapidly descended into conflict because everyone can see what they are really like down there now.

Thought this also.

Just wonder if Waggott is sat watching this unfold laughing his bollox off.

Sweet revenge for when they hung him out to dry before the media regarding the 'we listened to Steve and cheap tickets dont work' blame game.He looked far from happy imo.

Edited 3 hours ago by SIMON GARNERS 194

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Oh I agree, my views on him have been made clear many times.

Just from the perspective of the remaining regime, thrashing around as they are, I imagine things were much much easier for them when they had the shield of a Waggott there to absorb the boos and complaints and a Mowbray type figure to sit in the dugout and deliver competent results whilst tolerating their rubbish.

Now without those two or even a JDT / Eustace to diver attention to results they're struggling big time. 

Not having a go at you,  We're pretty much in full agreement on everything overall.

The only thing that's changed imo is since Waggott left the veneer has slipped slightly and we see what a husk the Club really is.

He sat there in the 3 stooges interview defending everything that had happened and endorsing the lunatic policy of "transition" this season. He supposedly wanted another year on his £500 k plus remuneration package. He was CEO when they failed to back Eustace. etc etc

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You're mistakenly assuming Venky's cared enough to micromanage Waggott's every decision.

He could have gone down a completely different route and tried to grow the Club long term to meet his financial targets but took the exact opposite strategy of trying to steadily squeeze more and more money out of an ever diminishing fan base.

Every Club he's been at temporarily tanked under his stewardship then recovered thereafter.

More baffling attempts from you to exonerate anyone other than the owners from any blame whatsoever.

I am looking forward to seeing us recover then similar to how healthy we were in the Venkys years before he arrived. 

To say that he specifically is the architecht of the downsizing of this club is absolutely ludicrious even for you. He may well have played a small part in enabling it but come on. 

[Tomphil2]

Waggot was brought in to just squeeze every penny he could out of the limited means he had. His whole career was based around that as was his philosophy which he'd already stated in various early interviews.

Squeeze what you have till it pops...and it did.

However at times he did have leeway in the budgets some of which was spent well on fees and wages but equally as much was wasted. Mowbray was also part of all that both good stuff and not so good.

Slippery Steve though was brought in for those specific reasons in the first paragraph and as time went on his and TM's methods weren't really taking us anywhere other than water treading.

It seems the owners were happy with that for a while then got fed up and taking the usual bad advice thinking they could pay less but get similar for the money the cutbacks began.

This is where Steve & Suhail were in their element, easy money until cracks obviously formed in that partnership. One wanting frees/loans/cheap deals but experience and bigger wages.

The other wanting youth, potential but small fees AND wages plus cuts to cheaper across experienced club staff as well.

Including Stevo and now here we are, no mans land but as JH hinted at removing Waggot whatever his limitations etc has removed the one bit of football stewardship experience there actually was there.

Suhail, long been my opinion, now with Rudy are just a pair of agent stooges.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

I am looking forward to seeing us recover then similar to how healthy we were in the Venkys years before he arrived. 

We won't recover because we're carrying on down the path he created the blue print for and put us on. In fact we seem to be doubling down on it.

His previous Clubs recovered because they went in a different direction after he left.

The only thing you can say about his tenure was at least he didnt get away with putting houses on part of Brockhall as he similarly tried and failed to do at Coventry.

Edited 1 hour ago by RevidgeBlue

[Mashed Potatoes]

15 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

We won't recover because we're carrying on down the path he created the blue print for and put us on. In fact we seem to be doubling down on it.

His previous Clubs recovered because they went in a different direction after he left.

The only thing you can say about his tenure was at least he didnt get away with putting houses on part of Brockhall as he similarly tried and failed to do at Coventry.

Come off it. The blueprint for our path was created in 2010. You seem to be the only person who has failed to see that.