Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Similar to how you have twisted Mowbray going out of his way to stop the owners from investing loads of money or wanting to sell 6 months worth of a Rothwell who downed tools in order to get a couple of new players in another season where the owners had turned the taps off.

Well, there are more certainties to life than death and taxes, as soon as I mention the words "Waggott" "Mowbray" or "Gallagher" you charge in on your trusty white steed to defend them faster than Nicko comes in with a good news story now to deflect unrest whenever the **** hits the fan.

Views on Rothwell vary, for me you don't sell a key player to your main rivals in that situation under any circumstances. One of the few things Venky's ever got right.

I do find it bizarre though you continue to deny the fact that Mowbray dissuaded the owners from spending after promotion from League 1. Even though he cheerfully admitted it himself in the local rag.

[RevidgeBlue]

Dear Rovers Fans

For Christmas this year you can have

EITHER

A pitch that lasts 90 mins whenever it rains

OR

2 or 3 more players who aren't good enough for the Championship.

No, really, don't mention it. No need to thank us, it's what we do!

Love Rudy, Pash, Val and the rest of the Rovers Crew.

x

[roversfan99]

24 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well, there are more certainties to life than death and taxes, as soon as I mention the words "Waggott" "Mowbray" or "Gallagher" you charge in on your trusty white steed to defend them faster than Nicko comes in with a good news story now to deflect unrest whenever the **** hits the fan.

Views on Rothwell vary, for me you don't sell a key player to your main rivals in that situation under any circumstances. One of the few things Venky's ever got right.

I do find it bizarre though you continue to deny the fact that Mowbray dissuaded the owners from spending after promotion from League 1. Even though he cheerfully admitted it himself in the local rag.

But on Ismael, he has come out publically when we all expected him to bat it off/blame the ref/authorities has had a go at the embarassment caused by those above him instead. I am not a fan of Ismael to be honest. And you arent. But I can acknowledge that I like that he has done that as an individual thing rather than twisting it.

The owners (if it was specifically them) shouldnt be interfering with matters they cant possibly be in the best position to judge. But especially with hindsight, I cant fathom how not selling a player for £4m who (and the owners wouldnt be aware of this) had downed tools to exchange for 2 new players who could benefit us both short and long term would be deemed as a positive.

The spending thing, you are twisting it as if they were ready and waiting to go on a spending spree, similar to how you regularly suggest that they are/were "pumping in £20m" a season as if its anything other than something they have to do to cover the losses all Championship clubs incur.

18 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Dear Rovers Fans

For Christmas this year you can have

EITHER

A pitch that lasts 90 mins whenever it rains

OR

2 or 3 more players who aren't good enough for the Championship.

No, really, don't mention it. No need to thank us, it's what we do!

Love Rudy, Pash, Val and the rest of the Rovers Crew.

x

And most importantly, the owners. Dont forget that.

[RevidgeBlue]

I should have added the caveat that the 2 or 3 players wont be outright additions but will be cheaper replacements for ones sold.

Edited 3 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And most importantly, the owners. Dont forget that.

If Pasha has even referred the matter back to the owners or is intending to.

Hypothetically, if a £2m transfer budget had been set for January (we had a c £2m surplus in summer remember) Ismael has just given him the perfect excuse not to bother them.

[Aqualung]

When Val eventually leaves Rovers I would love to get him, JDT and Eustace in a room. Fuck the NDA and let them tell us what their thoughts are. 

Could be interesting. 

[roversfan99]

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If Pasha has even referred the matter back to the owners or is intending to.

Hypothetically, if a £2m transfer budget had been set for January (we had a c £2m surplus in summer remember) Ismael has just given him the perfect excuse not to bother them.

Its not in any way an excuse. It wouldnt excuse cutting the budget somehow even further. 

My issue all along is that you consistently look to deflect away from the owners. You do criticise them at times to an extent but there are often mitigating circumstances. One being the suggestion that its just that they repeatedly havent been asked for money, year after year. By numerous individuals, numerous times.

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not in any way an excuse. It wouldnt excuse cutting the budget somehow even further. 

My issue all along is that you consistently look to deflect away from the owners. You do criticise them at times to an extent but there are often mitigating circumstances. One being the suggestion that its just that they repeatedly havent been asked for money, year after year. By numerous individuals, numerous times.

The suggestion that Pasha doesn't like bothering them has been made numerous times on here by various individuals. Neither of us know for certain whether they have or haven't been asked at specific stages.

That's not deflecting blame away from the owners, they should be hands on and invested enough in matters to be broadly aware of what's going on at the Club without having to be told everything that happens by Pasha.

However I suspect that apart from a brief burst of enthusiasm after we got promoted from League 1 that's never really been the case. Im surprised you think they're particularly hands on, I suspect they set a budget at the start of the season and apart from receiving routine briefings that's the extent of their involvement unless an emergency crops up.

[RevidgeBlue]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not in any way an excuse. It wouldnt excuse cutting the budget somehow even further. 

The Head Coach has made public the view that he doesn't mind if funding is diverted away from transfers and into sorting out the pitch.

Of course it's an excuse they'll latch on to.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

The suggestion that Pasha doesn't like bothering them has been made numerous times on here by various individuals. Neither of us know for certain whether they have or haven't been asked at specific stages.

That's not deflecting blame away from the owners, they should be hands on and invested enough in matters to be broadly aware of what's going on at the Club without having to be told everything that happens by Pasha.

However I suspect that apart from a brief burst of enthusiasm after we got promoted from League 1 that's never really been the case. Im surprised you think they're particularly hands on, I suspect they set a budget at the start of the season and apart from receiving routine briefings that's the extent of their involvement unless an emergency crops up.

But I dont think its an unfair suggestion to say that you have defended and deflected away from the owners over the years. You often become too fixated with individuals and then anything that happens, you pin it all on them, even at times if theyve left the club. The perfect example is how often you say that they pump x amount in a year, but dont respond when questioned on it. Them raising shares or incurring debt to offset standard Championship losses is mandatory, it doesnt correlate with willingness or ambition. Repeatedly suggesting/speculating that the owners havent been asked for things pins most of the blame on an individual employee. It seems a far reach to think that so many different people simply all didnt ask for money at various stages.

Suhail is different to the various other members of staff that have been here over the past 15 years, in that hes essentially an extension of Venkys. He was a Venkys person before he gained any power here. His primary focus is to support Venkys objectives, which focus on cutting losses and conflict with Rovers objectives, and he knows his job is always 100% safe. All of the others have been employed specifically as Rovers employees, none of whom could have 100% job security.

The others, no matter how incompetent do not fall into that same dangerous category. No matter how incompetent they are or were, and regardless of if they ever tried to strengthen the stabilitt of their own job.

I think you misconstrue what I say as me sticking up for Waggott, for Mowbray, for Broughton etc. Its not what I am doing. I am not comfortable with giving them such big chunks of the blame in a way that alleviates the blame away from the problem and the common denominator throughout these 15 years. Suhail has been the biggest symptom of all but even he isnt THE problem.

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

The Head Coach has made public the view that he doesn't mind if funding is diverted away from transfers and into sorting out the pitch.

Of course it's an excuse they'll latch on to.

An excuse to who though? If anyone defends the owners for again cutting costs on account of a throwaway comment of a pissed off manager stressing the importance of not having a pitch in working order, then they clearly are not very bright.