2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[Forever Blue]

 

[Leonard Venkhater]

6 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

 

Now, they really are taking the piss and pushing it our face..

Will this nightmare ever end?

Just fuck off Suhail and all of your agent, clubkiller friends!

Edited 11 hours ago by Leonard Venkhater

[Blue blood]

One thing people overlook when it comes to cheap punts and clever work in the transfer market is that under the previous competent regime it was always combined with spending proper money on players too. 

Nelson and Mokoena came in on the cheap - at the same time we paid good money for Savage. 

We had punts on whether strikers like Fowler & Jeffers had anything in them - at the same time as paying for the likes of McCarthy and Santa Cruz. 

Nothing wrong with punts so long as they are combined with proper investment. That never happens with this lot. 

[Blue blood]

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

 

Having watched the documentaries- which really are excellent- I can't say I'm excited to have him here. 

Not sure Grayson was a bad shout, with 4 promotions for few failures at that point, but the contracts and the way the season went showed he was plenty culpable. 

The moment that stands out was Bain overseeing a machine that was brought to aid revoerely that none of the team used but that he did. 

Sunderland were a basket case club. So are we, so it's a good fit in that respect. The solution to some problems however - I'm far less confident of. 

[RoversClitheroe]

3 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Having watched the documentaries- which really are excellent- I can't say I'm excited to have him here. 

Not sure Grayson was a bad shout, with 4 promotions for few failures at that point, but the contracts and the way the season went showed he was plenty culpable. 

The moment that stands out was Bain overseeing a machine that was brought to aid revoerely that none of the team used but that he did. 

Sunderland were a basket case club. So are we, so it's a good fit in that respect. The solution to some problems however - I'm far less confident of. 

Funniest series I've ever seen and not in a good way

[Blue blood]

6 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Funniest series I've ever seen and not in a good way

Interestingly I watched it with the wife who has no interest in football. She enjoyed it too and had no idea prior to watching that they got relegated again. I think seeing her incredulity of the situation helped reinforce how nuts the whole thing was. 

[simongarnerisgod]

it matters not who our ceo is,the man really in charge is pasha,the new ceo will have the job of being the public figurehead and taking all the flack from the fans,snake like pasha will be still be slithering about in the background

[Bohinen1983]

Don't see what difference it makes whom we have in this position...  Ultimately the club's still being run by the same people..

[Forever Blue]

Nothing ultimately changes until the owners change. 

The COO, the CEO and HoF are all paid employees, nothing more. 

[Tomphil2]

Shaw, Agnew, Shebby, Senior then choas without even a CEO until Waggot so why is this one going to be any different ?

'Cue the "Give the guy a chance ffs" brigade.

When the writing on the tin says what's inside it that's what comes spilling out of it when it's opened. The most worrying post Waggot thing is the real CEO now has free reign without challenge this end.

That is truly petrifying. 

[Old Codger]

3 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Nothing ultimately changes until the owners change. 

The COO, the CEO and HoF are all paid employees, nothing more. 

As are the players, ground staff, marketing and HR folks. And as we know, in this life, if you pay peanuts....

This is a very f'ed up world, where Orange Buffoons play puppet to crazed and blood-thirsty lunatics and Horse-riding psychopaths speak in snake-eyes from the end of ridiculous long tables. Football should be a welcome diversion for the masses, and should allow us escape from the awful realities of human suffering. Instead, we are treated like idiots and expected to swallow relentless shit dressed up as a football club. 

Stop the ride. I want to get off.

VENKYS OUT! 

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

What a healthy setup. Suhail with the power and this cretin just doing the admin for him.

Why they just don't appoint Suhail as CEO and appoint a Deputy CEO under him to do the administrative role surely would be better for them

When I read the job advert for the CEO which was for the role here and its genuine, I posted it was Chief Administrator role with little say in the commercial side of the club or Football side of the club, Which Suhail fills one and Gestede/Owen fill the other. I said it like the club have been split into 3 different companies with 3 different heads running them

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Lol.

"All good. Nothing to see here."

Who says all good, nothing to see here? 

Do I think Martin Bain would be awful or bad appointment or even good appointment, tbh I have mixed feelings on him. 

On the Sunderland, the blame has to be on the owner Ellis Short who cut all funding to the club and refuse to put another penny into the club. Bain made 2 appointments which on the face of it should have ok/good appointment but neither backed by the owner. People mentioned asset stripping but if the owner has stop funding and the club has only the money it gets in to spend that what you can only spend. Some of the other things like comments about Rodwell or other things show him in a poor light but you honestly do think that happens at most football clubs if that situation. The pool incident was poor from him. 

He stand up for Rangers minority stakeholders against the sale of the club to Craig Whyte and He was proved right. Rangers crashed and burned after the sale went through.

At Maccabi Tel Aviv, Bain was the CEO during their domestic treble win and Champions League qualification. He also negotiated a record financial TV package for the club. 

5 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

But they don't really want a CEO do they that role is already filled just not in name.

They want a Chief Administrator really who is only in charge of certain non football things, more like another 'Head of Heads'.

So it's probably irrelevant who they appoint now.

Said that as soon as I read the job advert cos no have say in commercial or football side of the club

4 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

The guy at Sunderland employed Grayson and allowed him to sign Steele from us AND pay money.

I don't care where Steele is now he was rubbish at the time and poor for them as well in league 1.

This fella as their CEO presided over possibly the worst era in their modern history but once he'd gone they started climbing back. He'll fit the mould well here as they continue managed decline under the Barnsley model gearing us for league 1.

What the Barnsley model please? 

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, Ricceh said:

Chaddy, do you genuinely think the CEO of a club has little to no say in decision making? If that was the case, clubs wouldn't ever hire them.

I'm happy to defend your point of view of a lot of matters where you get crap for it here, especially in relation to people judging players before they have kicked a ball, but please don't make things up to sugarcoat a potentially incredibly bad decision by the club.

I think the next CEO from the job advert is just chief administrative role with no involvement or say in the commercial side or the Football side of the club. 

Yes the CEO should run the club for the owner or the Owner as CEO run the club is how a club should be run. I have previously mentioned how I would run Rovers if I was the owner and it wouldn't be the way it is now,  

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why they just don't appoint Suhail as CEO and appoint a Deputy CEO under him to do the administrative role surely would be better for them

When I read the job advert for the CEO which was for the role here and its genuine, I posted it was Chief Administrator role with little say in the commercial side of the club or Football side of the club, Which Suhail fills one and Gestede/Owen fill the other. I said it like the club have been split into 3 different companies with 3 different heads running them

Who says all good, nothing to see here? 

Do I think Martin Bain would be awful or bad appointment or even good appointment, tbh I have mixed feelings on him. 

On the Sunderland, the blame has to be on the owner Ellis Short who cut all funding to the club and refuse to put another penny into the club. Bain made 2 appointments which on the face of it should have ok/good appointment but neither backed by the owner. People mentioned asset stripping but if the owner has stop funding and the club has only the money it gets in to spend that what you can only spend. Some of the other things like comments about Rodwell or other things show him in a poor light but you honestly do think that happens at most football clubs if that situation. The pool incident was poor from him. 

He stand up for Rangers minority stakeholders against the sale of the club to Craig Whyte and He was proved right. Rangers crashed and burned after the sale went through.

At Maccabi Tel Aviv, Bain was the CEO during their domestic treble win and Champions League qualification. He also negotiated a record financial TV package for the club. 

Said that as soon as I read the job advert cos no have say in commercial or football side of the club

What the Barnsley model please? 

Because Suhail clearly prefers to be the dickhead he is with as little attention as possible.

[Tomphil2]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why they just don't appoint Suhail as CEO and appoint a Deputy CEO under him to do the administrative role surely would be better for them

When I read the job advert for the CEO which was for the role here and its genuine, I posted it was Chief Administrator role with little say in the commercial side of the club or Football side of the club, Which Suhail fills one and Gestede/Owen fill the other. I said it like the club have been split into 3 different companies with 3 different heads running them

Who says all good, nothing to see here? 

Do I think Martin Bain would be awful or bad appointment or even good appointment, tbh I have mixed feelings on him. 

On the Sunderland, the blame has to be on the owner Ellis Short who cut all funding to the club and refuse to put another penny into the club. Bain made 2 appointments which on the face of it should have ok/good appointment but neither backed by the owner. People mentioned asset stripping but if the owner has stop funding and the club has only the money it gets in to spend that what you can only spend. Some of the other things like comments about Rodwell or other things show him in a poor light but you honestly do think that happens at most football clubs if that situation. The pool incident was poor from him. 

He stand up for Rangers minority stakeholders against the sale of the club to Craig Whyte and He was proved right. Rangers crashed and burned after the sale went through.

At Maccabi Tel Aviv, Bain was the CEO during their domestic treble win and Champions League qualification. He also negotiated a record financial TV package for the club. 

Said that as soon as I read the job advert cos no have say in commercial or football side of the club

What the Barnsley model please? 

Both Waggot and Mowbray mentioned the Barnsley model a few years ago when ironically at the time they'd challenged the play offs under Ismael.

They had the all in one first team and academy complex i think on one site and were quite advanced with their tech and coaching at the time.  Focusing on academy products and scouring the lower leagues with the aim of most of their first team being made up of produced players rather than bought ones.

No idea what's going on there now but their model has only been successful in creating a low budget, low expense top 10 league 1 club.

[chaddyrovers]

6 hours ago, JHRover said:

Those players got their deals years ago, Cantwell the only recent exception.

Reports not long ago suggested Eustace was set to resign last summer and it was only the club relaxing it's ridiculous approach and signing Cantwell, Batth and Weimann that persuaded him to stay.

So the wage cap thing makes complete sense, it explains the inability and unwillingness to sort out new contracts for our best players because we are choosing to let them go due to our own wage policies.

Our choice. Not FFP, not COVID, not the weather, not a player wanting PL football, not a project, not a player wanting to go and live down South.

Just plain old fashioned cost cuts. Eventually that catches up with everyone and will do here very soon.

Absolutely ridiculous the reaction from some online to the two foreign signings whilst we see the cornerstones of last season's relative success depart, again due to our failings and policies nothing more.

It was these policies and refusal to sort out the contracts that led Eustace to jump ship mid season at the first opportunity, an unprecedented step that the head in sand gang have managed to erase from their consciousness.

This is project 4 since 2022. We had Mowbray's project, we had the Broughton and JDT project, we had the Eustace and Park project and now it's the Gestede and Ismael project. This time next year it will be another one. They're winging it from one year to the next masquerading as a professional outfit.

and what happens if the wage cap rumour is wrong? 

I wouldn't have been offering Batth a straight 2 year contract if that what Derby have offered him to sign there. 

Eustace jumped ship cos he wanted more say and mostly full control of transfers which he now as Derby I would guess hence when you look at his signings they are former players of his from previous clubs or experience championship players like Morris. That's is how he wants his squad. Rovers want to explore the overseas like we done the last 2 summers windows with some signings which have worked out and we are looking at continue with the plan from Gestede, Owen and Ismael.

[London blue]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Funniest series I've ever seen and not in a good way

The funniest scene was Sunderland's scouts listing Ibrahimovic on their target list.

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Both Waggot and Mowbray mentioned the Barnsley model a few years ago when ironically at the time they'd challenged the play offs under Ismael.

They had the all in one first team and academy complex i think on one site and were quite advanced with their tech and coaching at the time.  Focusing on academy products and scouring the lower leagues with the aim of most of their first team being made up of produced players rather than bought ones.

No idea what's going on there now but their model has only been successful in creating a low budget, low expense top 10 league 1 club.

Thanks for response Tompill2

[roversfan99]

And why do we want to "explore overseas?" Cheaper wages.

I very much doubt that Eustace's only grievance was transfers. 

Im not convinced there is a self imposed wage cap but I am pretty sure that its an unwillingness to offer competitive wages (throw in some general incompetence at all levels) that means that basically all of our key players have 0 or 1 year left and dont seem close to anything new.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

36 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why they just don't appoint Suhail as CEO and appoint a Deputy CEO under him to do the administrative role surely would be better for them

When I read the job advert for the CEO which was for the role here and its genuine, I posted it was Chief Administrator role with little say in the commercial side of the club or Football side of the club, Which Suhail fills one and Gestede/Owen fill the other. I said it like the club have been split into 3 different companies with 3 different heads running them

Who says all good, nothing to see here? 

Do I think Martin Bain would be awful or bad appointment or even good appointment, tbh I have mixed feelings on him. 

On the Sunderland, the blame has to be on the owner Ellis Short who cut all funding to the club and refuse to put another penny into the club. Bain made 2 appointments which on the face of it should have ok/good appointment but neither backed by the owner. People mentioned asset stripping but if the owner has stop funding and the club has only the money it gets in to spend that what you can only spend. Some of the other things like comments about Rodwell or other things show him in a poor light but you honestly do think that happens at most football clubs if that situation. The pool incident was poor from him. 

He stand up for Rangers minority stakeholders against the sale of the club to Craig Whyte and He was proved right. Rangers crashed and burned after the sale went through.

At Maccabi Tel Aviv, Bain was the CEO during their domestic treble win and Champions League qualification. He also negotiated a record financial TV package for the club. 

Said that as soon as I read the job advert cos no have say in commercial or football side of the club

What the Barnsley model please? 

Rangers money problems started in 03 he was there from 01 and promoted in 05 and left when the sh!t hit the fan. He then tried to sue rangers a case in which he dropped a year later. He was complicit and aware of the dodgy goings on at rangers given the timeframe he was there

as for the Sunderland role I see some saying it’s not his fault the owners didn’t want to part with money….does that remind you of any owners

bottom line is this man has a chequered history and not the sort of image/controversial character we need at this already breaking point time

 

[BigHoz]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

and what happens if the wage cap rumour is wrong? 

I wouldn't have been offering Batth a straight 2 year contract if that what Derby have offered him to sign there. 

Eustace jumped ship cos he wanted more say and mostly full control of transfers which he now as Derby I would guess hence when you look at his signings they are former players of his from previous clubs or experience championship players like Morris. That's is how he wants his squad. Rovers want to explore the overseas like we done the last 2 summers windows with some signings which have worked out and we are looking at continue with the plan from Gestede, Owen and Ismael.

Eustace jumped ship because it’s a shit show, just like JDT, I’d bet ismael won’t be far behind. Also it’s suhails plan. Cost cutting, spend cheap, sell anything decent. Been going on for years now, noticed you pass the blame on to those who leave tho, it’s NEVER suhail or venkys 🤗

[Rover1984]

The puppeteer only hires those who are happy to dangle on a string. Those who do not comply try get out at first opportunity. Been some respected appointment these past few years and with a decent front man we could have had a really good set up again. The views of fans will not change until these clowns are gone, doesn’t matter who they employ as the final say will always be Pasha. Everyone can see it, I hope to god the football authorities change certain laws as non existent owners should not be allowed anywhere near a football club. 

[Tomphil2]

To be fair Rovers neglected the overseas and European market for a few years so we've probably missed out quite a few bargains.

No issue with scouring the markets and wages have mostly been a bit cheaper i'd say you'll get better talents in that bargain bin for a lot less wages than in the busted flush championship journeymen bin, we've been in that as well in the past.

Trouble is matching the talent with the physicality and expectation in England which obviously the journeymen have that so you need a few of them as well.

Whatever happened to the European/overseas scouting network TM spent money setting up and recruiting for ?

As far as i remember thy turned up Kaminski and that was it before there was another project change.

[Ricceh]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think the next CEO from the job advert is just chief administrative role with no involvement or say in the commercial side or the Football side of the club. 

Yes the CEO should run the club for the owner or the Owner as CEO run the club is how a club should be run. I have previously mentioned how I would run Rovers if I was the owner and it wouldn't be the way it is now,  

Do you think this is a problem? I think it's a massive problem.

[BankEnd Rover]

A poster who broke the news about Tavares has said there's nothing in the Bain story.