January Transfer Needs

[roversfan99]

Selling Hyam how we did was negligent. To not bring in a senior centre back capable of starting games even in this window would compound that. If we dont, or we just bring O'Riordan back from a struggling League 1 side, its simply asking for trouble.

Our centre back options are still sub par, I still think we are 2 short. Definitely someone to play in the middle too. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

All of them - that's why we're 20th.

With this squad and head coach it will be a massive relief if we stay up regardless of which permutation of players we field. (Imo)

if we could get that starting 11 on the pitch then its be top 6/challenging for top 6

40 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Selling Hyam how we did was negligent. To not bring in a senior centre back capable of starting games even in this window would compound that. If we dont, or we just bring O'Riordan back from a struggling League 1 side, its simply asking for trouble.

Our centre back options are still sub par, I still think we are 2 short. Definitely someone to play in the middle too. 

2 short? 

we got Miller, McLoughin, Wharton, Carter, Pratt, plus possible O'Riordan on recall then add Litherland and Atcheson

surely 1 is enough. Plus we need to factor in the 25 players register rules. We only have 1 spare spot currently unless we move players on

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

if we could get that starting 11 on the pitch then its be top 6/challenging for top 6

2 short? 

we got Miller, McLoughin, Wharton, Carter, Pratt, plus possible O'Riordan on recall then add Litherland and Atcheson

surely 1 is enough. Plus we need to factor in the 25 players register rules. We only have 1 spare spot currently unless we move players on

That’s a crazy role but it is what it is and we have to be cognisant of that. Regarding our best starting 11, that’s not only a pretty good team but we would have decent players on the bench to bring on. As it is at the moment they are stating for us and our options from the bench are pretty average.

Edited 4 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[KentExile]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

if we could get that starting 11 on the pitch then its be top 6/challenging for top 6

2 short? 

we got Miller, McLoughin, Wharton, Carter, Pratt, plus possible O'Riordan on recall then add Litherland and Atcheson

surely 1 is enough. Plus we need to factor in the 25 players register rules. We only have 1 spare spot currently unless we move players on

If O'Riordan is recalled, then we currently have 0 spare slots.  In fact, we also have to factor in Garrett (who returned from injury recently) & Barrett (whose loan ends in January). 

Although I wouldn't expect either of Garrett or Barrett to be in the 25, we could well have 27 players who need to be considered (be that selling/loaning out etc) before we think about bringing more in

 

Toth, Pears, Barrett

Wharton, Carter, Miller, McLoughlin, Pratt, O'Riordan

Hedges, Pickering, De Neve, Ribeiro

Alebiosu

Cantwell, Tronstad, Morishita, Baradji, Gardner-Hickman, Henriksson, Forshaw, Tavares, Garrett

Ohashi, Gudjohnsen, Gueye, Kargbo

 

* anyone not mentioned above (Montgomery, Litherland etc) is young enough not to be included in the 25

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That’s a crazy role but it is what it is and we have to be cognisant of that. Regarding our best starting 11, that’s not only a pretty good team but we would have decent players on the bench to bring on. As it is at the moment they are stating for us and our options from the bench are pretty average.

I think we deffo need another striker and centre back signing. maybe a wing back depending on Miller and Litherland 

plus getting rid Gueye for sure, maybe De Neve on loan. Maybe Ribeiro and keep Pickering 

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, KentExile said:

If O'Riordan is recalled, then we currently have 0 spare slots.  In fact, we also have to factor in Garrett (who returned from injury recently) & Barrett (whose loan ends in January). 

Although I wouldn't expect either of Garrett or Barrett to be in the 25, we could well have 27 players who need to be considered (be that selling/loaning out etc) before we think about bringing more in

 

Toth, Pears, Barrett

Wharton, Carter, Miller, McLoughlin, Pratt, O'Riordan

Hedges, Pickering, De Neve, Ribeiro

Alebiosu

Cantwell, Tronstad, Morishita, Baradji, Gardner-Hickman, Henriksson, Forshaw, Tavares, Garrett

Ohashi, Gudjohnsen, Gueye, Kargbo

Gueye, Garrett, Barrett, one of Ribeiro or Pickering,. Do we keep TGH on loan? 

that would give is 2 or 3 spots for signings. One of these signing could be under 21 aged signing 

[KentExile]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gueye, Garrett, Barrett, one of Ribeiro or Pickering,. Do we keep TGH on loan? 

that would give is 2 or 3 spots for signings. One of these signing could be under 21 aged signing 

I'd happily send TGH back, runs about a lot doing not much, cant fault his effort, but there isn't a lot of end product.  As a box to box midfielder, he is behind Cantwell, Morishita & (judging by recent performances) Baradji in that role, and doesn't have the positional sense or discipline to play the Tronstad role.

Personally feel he was brought in as cover because Baradji was injured, and has served his purpose

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[roversfan99]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

if we could get that starting 11 on the pitch then its be top 6/challenging for top 6

2 short? 

we got Miller, McLoughin, Wharton, Carter, Pratt, plus possible O'Riordan on recall then add Litherland and Atcheson

surely 1 is enough. Plus we need to factor in the 25 players register rules. We only have 1 spare spot currently unless we move players on

You do this thing where you just list names without critiquing quality.

Miller and McLoughlin are squad player level for me. Only starting every single game IMO out of necessity.

Carter is an absolute write off, pointless even listing him. Asking for trouble if we do.

Wharton is also really injury prone and wont be back until February and even then, we cant rely on him to stay fit.

Pratt has done well, but obviously isnt at a stage where you can consider him a first team regular who can play game after game at this stage.

So yeah, I think we need 2. We need a direct Hyam replacement after negligently letting him go, a proven player in the middle of the defence. McLoughlin isnt good enough for that, plus is poor in the air. He is more suited to being an option to the left. The options we do have seem to be predominantly left footer so we could do with a second right footer.

2 more proper first team quality players, McLaughlin, Miller, then Pratt and O'Riordan (if we recall him, if we got 2 I would happily keep him at Doncaster, but would maybe recall him during Jan as we know we will drag out deals so can just send him back at the end of the month) potentially as younger options. That seens much more reasonable to me.

It wont happen which is why I think some understate what we need to try and bring it more in line with what might happen.

[roversfan99]

You look through that list of players that need registering, so many are simply not good enough. Gueye, De Neve, Tavares, Henriksson, Kargbo, and then Carter who is no use to us. I think Pickering still has a use far more than Ribeiro who I would be happy to move on too. Strip them out and we have such a small core of players who actually have any use.

Obviously you have to tell them at the start of the month, rather than repeat the shoddy Sigurdsson treatment, so they know where they stand. But we shouldnt not sign someone in favour of saving places for players like that.

[KentExile]

This made interesting listening, Tronstad apparently has denied stating he wants to move back to Scandinavia.  It should start playing when he is the topic of conversation

 

[DE.]

I don't think even our best first eleven is a top six team, honestly. Comfortably mid-table, yes, but I wouldn't go any further than that. Too many inconsistent players - but when you pay minimal fee and wages, you can't expect any more than that. 

It's a lower quality league this season for sure. If we'd kept a couple of our experienced players, and spent the circa £4.3m wasted on Tavares, De Neve and Henriksson on one really solid Championship player, we would definitely have a team capable of the top six. Whether Ismael could deliver that as manager is doubtful, mind. 

Edit: As KentExile pointed out below, my £4.3m figure is inaccurate for the players specified - amend to around €3.5m (incl add ons, bonuses etc).

Edited 1 hour ago by DE.

[KentExile]

6 minutes ago, DE. said:

It's a lower quality league this season for sure. If we'd kept a couple of our experienced players, and spent the circa £4.3m wasted on Tavares, De Neve and Henriksson on one really solid Championship player, we would definitely have a team capable of the top six. Whether Ismael could deliver that as manager is doubtful, mind. 

Even the much exaggerated figures are well below that amount

Sidnei Tavares €2.00m    
Axel Henriksson €860k
Dion De Neve €750k

All of the above in Euros, not £s, and not a chance those amounts are anything other than hypothetical add ons for various "ifs" "buts" & "maybes"

I would be genuinely amazed if the guaranteed payments on the 3 of those combined are any more than £1.5M

Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile

[DE.]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

Even the much exaggerated figures are well below that amount

Sidnei Tavares €2.00m    
Axel Henriksson €860k
Dion De Neve €750k

All of the above in Euros, not £s, and not a chance those amounts are anything other than hypothetical add ons for various "ifs" "buts" & "maybes"

I would be genuinely amazed if the guaranteed payments on the 3 of those combined are any more than £1.5M

You're right, I was thinking of another post where I conflated Miller, Alebiosu & McLoughlin's fees, and indeed it is Euros rather than pounds.

With that said, we still could have got a very good Championship CB for €3.5m - even if a chunk of that was add-ons and bonuses. I'd have taken that over three useless players. 

Edited 2 hours ago by DE.

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, DE. said:

You're right, I was thinking of another post where I conflated Miller, Alebiosu & McLoughlin's fees, and indeed it is Euros rather than pounds.

With that said, we still could have got a very good Championship CB for €3.5m - even if a chunk of that was add-ons and bonuses. I'd have taken that over three useless players. 

I still hold out a feint hope for Henriksson

Think if we hold on to him, he will be an excellent goalscoring midfielder in League 1 in a year or 2, and will kick on from there 😉 

[DE.]

10 minutes ago, KentExile said:

I still hold out a feint hope for Henriksson

Think if we hold on to him, he will be an excellent goalscoring midfielder in League 1 in a year or 2, and will kick on from there 😉 

He's just manic energy when he comes onto the pitch. If "uncultured midfielder" was a descriptor then that would be him 😆 he's not anywhere close to the biggest of our problems in fairness, I just wish we'd been a lot smarter last summer. 

Edited 1 hour ago by DE.

[simongarnerisgod]

getting the chuckle brothers (deneve,tavares and henrikson) off the payroll and replacing them with a few competent ones would be a good transfer window imo,even if we use the academy it would still be an improvementim`e not expecting this to happen though

the phrase "signifcent investment" will no doubt be branded about as we sign a past it winger,a useless centre forward on loan and a potentially excellent midfielder who we actually don`t land because of paperwork issues,basically more of the same shite we`ve had for the last half dozen january windows,there is nothing to suggest this year will be any different

[chaddyrovers]

O'Riordan has been recalled by Rovers. Doncaster boss confirmed this today. Pleased by this 

[RoversClitheroe]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

O'Riordan has been recalled by Rovers. Doncaster boss confirmed this today. Pleased by this 

Have you seen him play? If yes when and who against? 

[RoversClitheroe]

If I were in charge I'd do the following:

Sell:

• Tavares
• De Neve
• Pears
• Barrett
• Garrett
• Gueye
• Hedges
• Pickering 
• Kargbo

Offer new deal

• Tronstad

Sign

• LWB
• CB
• CM
• ST
• LW

[Tomphil2]

We're now going from having NO quality centre backs to having a load of average/injury prone/rookie ones.

Such a Rovers thing to do, all we needed was one quality leader in there like for example a Dom Hyam or a Batth to help the rest.

Be interesting to see where O'Riordon fits into all that now.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You do this thing where you just list names without critiquing quality.

Miller and McLoughlin are squad player level for me. Only starting every single game IMO out of necessity.

Carter is an absolute write off, pointless even listing him. Asking for trouble if we do.

Wharton is also really injury prone and wont be back until February and even then, we cant rely on him to stay fit.

Pratt has done well, but obviously isnt at a stage where you can consider him a first team regular who can play game after game at this stage.

So yeah, I think we need 2. We need a direct Hyam replacement after negligently letting him go, a proven player in the middle of the defence. McLoughlin isnt good enough for that, plus is poor in the air. He is more suited to being an option to the left. The options we do have seem to be predominantly left footer so we could do with a second right footer.

2 more proper first team quality players, McLaughlin, Miller, then Pratt and O'Riordan (if we recall him, if we got 2 I would happily keep him at Doncaster, but would maybe recall him during Jan as we know we will drag out deals so can just send him back at the end of the month) potentially as younger options. That seens much more reasonable to me.

It wont happen which is why I think some understate what we need to try and bring it more in line with what might happen.

You failed to understand that we can only register 25 players and we are now at 25 players will O'Riordan being recalled and will be available from the 1st of January. 

So do we not register Carter or Wharton then? meaning we can't play them. What your plan RF99 

Yes we need to get rid of players to bring players in and register them by end of the window. 

Looking at the back 3, we would move to Miller to right wing back position now, so that's leave us with these options McLoughlin, Pratt, Wharton, Carter and O'Riordan. Plus Litherland and Atcheson. So 1 centre back signing is more than tbh, any more is just wasting our money even if Carter would move on. 

I feel we actually play better with Pratt in the back then Ribeiro in there. 

Going forward, Rovers have decisions to make over the future off Gueye, Ribeiro, Pickering, TGH, De Neve and Tyjon before this window ends. 

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

We're now going from having NO quality centre backs to having a load of average/injury prone/rookie ones.

Such a Rovers thing to do, all we needed was one quality leader in there like for example a Dom Hyam or a Batth to help the rest.

Be interesting to see where O'Riordon fits into all that now.

I would imagine O'Riordan will play on the right of the back 3

[Exiled_Rover]

3 hours ago, KentExile said:

If O'Riordan is recalled, then we currently have 0 spare slots.  In fact, we also have to factor in Garrett (who returned from injury recently) & Barrett (whose loan ends in January). 

Although I wouldn't expect either of Garrett or Barrett to be in the 25, we could well have 27 players who need to be considered (be that selling/loaning out etc) before we think about bringing more in

 

Toth, Pears, Barrett

Wharton, Carter, Miller, McLoughlin, Pratt, O'Riordan

Hedges, Pickering, De Neve, Ribeiro

Alebiosu

Cantwell, Tronstad, Morishita, Baradji, Gardner-Hickman, Henriksson, Forshaw, Tavares, Garrett

Ohashi, Gudjohnsen, Gueye, Kargbo

 

* anyone not mentioned above (Montgomery, Litherland etc) is young enough not to be included in the 25

I mean you can see from that listing where the problem is - RWB. 

[Exiled_Rover]

20 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

We're now going from having NO quality centre backs to having a load of average/injury prone/rookie ones.

Such a Rovers thing to do, all we needed was one quality leader in there like for example a Dom Hyam or a Batth to help the rest.

Be interesting to see where O'Riordon fits into all that now.

Leader? Hyam?

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, DE. said:

I don't think even our best first eleven is a top six team, honestly. Comfortably mid-table, yes, but I wouldn't go any further than that. Too many inconsistent players - but when you pay minimal fee and wages, you can't expect any more than that. 

It's a lower quality league this season for sure. If we'd kept a couple of our experienced players, and spent the circa £4.3m wasted on Tavares, De Neve and Henriksson on one really solid Championship player, we would definitely have a team capable of the top six. Whether Ismael could deliver that as manager is doubtful, mind. 

Edit: As KentExile pointed out below, my £4.3m figure is inaccurate for the players specified - amend to around €3.5m (incl add ons, bonuses etc).

LOL if you think we spent £4.3m on Tavares, De Neve and Henriksson.