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The club may not be actively looking to sell but I wonder if potential buyers have spotted an opportunity? Venky's obviously don't want to continue investing under their current restrictions - they may be tempted to sell now more than at any other time. They may be persuaded to sell at a reasonable price. Given the very good FFP situation at the club due to recent self funding, a decent position in the league and owners with cash flow problems, Rovers may be popping up at the top potential buyers' lists. Fingers crossed.
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v Swansea City (h) - 19/10/2024
Crimpshrine replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Carter at right back has got to stop. I'd get him in the centre with JRC right back. Toss up between Hyam and Batth as to who drops out -
This year we will be in a very favourable position with respect to FFP and could go for broke if we are anywhere near the playoffs. Unfortunately, the owners have a new found belief that if they sell players, rather than simply let contracts run down, the club can 'wash its own face'. So, they can now 'concentrate on their business in India'. They also have the ready made excuse that if they do send money, they have to effectively pay double due to the bond that needs to be paid in India - so why bother. To Venk'y, the club is just a spreadsheet that gets a quick glance once a year.
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v Plymouth Argyle (a) - 5/10/2024
Crimpshrine replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
We can analyse the match to death but basically we were bloody awful. The last 3 away games have been close to relegation levels of performance against teams that will probably finish at the lower end of the table themselves. It's just a symptom of Venky's era Rovers. What else can we realistically expect when we sell or release our best players and don't reinvest any money in the playing side? The start of the season had been decent but I don't allow myself to become too hopeful as I know there is no real determination to succeed within the club itself. -
How to say nothing in as many words as possible. Purposefully vague and confusing. "Financially supporting the club in whatever way" - translates as selling players If they can send funds from India whenever they like, why not say that in the statement? - because it wouldn't be true. "the owners have already secured required permissions to give full financial support to the club" - true, they have gained permission twice ( £3,540,000 and £11,000,000 ). Now they need to be granted permission again to send more funds ( the postponed court hearing ) They refer to litigation just to muddy the waters - this is presumably the ED's case against Venky's and not Venky's requests for permission to send funds out of the country. I was 99% convinced that they can't send funds until after the next court case. I am now 100% convinced.
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I am not up on legal or financial matters so I may well be wrong but I can't find any evidence for the assertion that 'no further approval is required from the court for future remittance of funds' as you have stated above. The order made on 31.10.23 clearly states that £11 million can be remitted with a bank guarantee of the same value. The £11 million could be paid via any number of remittances to the wholly owned subsidiaries mentioned in the order. There were a number of conditions imposed on each of the remittances that made up the £11 million total. I think this is where people are getting confused. The order uses phrases like 'after every remittance'. This is not a reference to future remittances but only refers to remittances within the total £11 million approved by the order. A key sentence is the last line of the order which states 'The bank guarantee will be kept alive for the period of the investgation' - It doesn't mention 'all bank guarantees' or 'any bank guarantees'. There is only one bank guarantee in question and that covers the £11 million. I can see no reference to allowing any future remittances. I think the situation is described much more clearly in the Rovers accounts submitted in April which can be found here (3rd doc on list) https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053482/filing-history Under Accounting policies ( going concerns ) page 21, there is an explanation that 2 petitions for interim remittances were approved in June 2023 ( £3,540,000 ) and Oct 2023 ( £11,000,000 ). Encouraged by the success of these 2 petitions, a third petition was lodged in January 2024 asking for permission to send more funds. This is the court hearing that has been postponed a number of times and is now scheduled for November. I don't believe any more funds can be sent until this case is heard. The account statement goes on to state that the owners are not in control of when they can send funds and are dependent on the court decision. It states that BRFC would have difficulty in continuing to trade if the court does not permit the release of future funds. I don't see why this would be put in the accounts if the owners are free to send funds without further approval ( providing the bond/guarantee etc ). In my opinion, if the hearing gets postponed one more time we will be in really big financial trouble.
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The truth is in the Rovers accounts which were published after the court hearing that allowed the £11 million remittance. "A material uncertainty exists therefore, due to the ability to remit sufficient funds to BRFC by VHPL not being in the control , at the time of the approval of these financial statements ( April 2024 ), of VHPL. If the court does not permit the release of future funds, there will be a significant impact on the company's ability to continue to trade" I would call that an impediment
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These court papers have been posted and discussed a few times on here. I think you have misunderstood the section that talks about 'every remittance'. This is referring to all the remittances that made up the 11 million allowance being discussed on that occasion. There is no allowance for any future remittances. Hence the need for the subsequent hearings. While the ED oppose Venky's requests they will need to go to court every time they want to send money.
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Venky's are being investigated for various tax misdemeanours. The investigations will take a long time and while they are ongoing Venky's are prohibited from sending money out of the country. They probably haven't got to a point where there is a need to defend themselves or admit liability on any charges yet. They are still under investigation. The current court hearing is simply Venky's applying for permission to send money out of India while they are under embargo. These hearings are at Venky's request, they are not a culmination of the tax avoidance investigations.