Fallen out or not, if we want him out we should be demanding a sale, not a loan. Isn't that the whole point of the current model? A loan has zero benefit to Rovers at all. Joke owners, joke management, joke club.

Wednesday fans seem to be happy enough with him with a few saying he helped kickstart their season against Leicester. We definitely have worse players and it was always a bit weird to me that we loaned him out, I seem to recall JDT being a little perplexed at the time too. Hopefully he recovers and can kick on with us.

For me it's a lack of versatility. I appreciate he hasn't got options, but in that case why are we playing a style of football that entirely relies on keeping energy levels extremely high? It means that every game we're relying on kids and freebies to keep our leads and there's no coincidence that we concede a significant number after subs have been made. He has to adapt, the current style of football is pretty but ineffective and we are sliding backwards with every passing game.

We'll run out of steam after the hour, sub the kids on and get battered.

I get they're academt keepers but are Hilton and Eastham really that much worse than Leo?

Almost as if having a good keeper/defence is more important than a good set of forwards, but Venky's care not.

Another game we'll probably lose because of the bench. Even at full strength it's not all that. That said, hopefully Semir can get about a bit and get off the mark. COYB

Waggott's wet dream

Shite league but we have already lost 14 games. Sign of a team that doesn't belong in this league for sure.

This is Coyle all over again, a complete inability to defend. No question about it we're dropping like a stone just as some of the struggling teams pick up form. I love JDT but questions need to be asked at this point.

I have seen very few derby games at any level with one side performing as bad as that day.

Even away from that, his win rate may be decent for us but his loss rate is appalling - his brand of football has no idea how to grings out results and as soon as a couple of games in a row come up we collapse.

The club is rotten to the core, Mowbray and JDT masked some of it but it is still deep set. Until Venky's are gone nothing will change. Unfortunately, the fan base is beyond numb to it and will continue to dwindle as the club dies. Venkys out

Zero fight in this team at all, and has been the case for years. Going nowhere but down - JDT get out while you can.

I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Pears is just as much a liability. We're heading exactly where we belong with our owners cost cutting plan and if we do drop in the next couple of seasons there will be no way back this time.

We just don't have the squad to keep this style of football going when energy levels drop and I think we're going to see another drop off going into the new year. Problem is, we're much closer to peril than last year and I can see us getting dragged into a relegation battle. Love JDT and he's limited in what he has, but he needs to start adapting.

Bottle merchants. Something seriously wrong with this squad at the moment

The only teams who have lost more than us are the teams in the bottom three. Another season where JDT, as good as the football can be, has shown a complete and total inability keep games close. Some of the worst performances of my lifetime have come under his tenure, which is frustrating because we can be so good.

Don't be silly, we haven't got close to them at all. The red didn't help, but we were never getting a point. Another game where we haven't even attempted to play.

Let's see what happens when they visit next week before gloating!

The amount of times we seem to just flat out not bother is infuriating.

Yet another defeat. It's extremely worrying that we have a complete inability to do anything other than win or lose with this team, but JDT has been left to patch together out of squads from misfits and youth talent and with the injury list the options are limited. That said, I'd love to know how this treading water is supposed to do anything for us. We can sell some players off but that won't be reinvested properly and we can already see that the U21s we have can't compete because all their best players are in the first team. In the longer term the only way is down with such a lack of ambition.

At the end of the day we lose far too many games to ever realistically challenge for promotion. Management are happy to let us tread water and eventually it will bite us. Utterly depressing.

JDT has an appalling record in our derby games so far, let's hope for a change in fortune tonight!

Is he a downgrade? They're both just awful in different ways I'd say