And yet they’ve still had more shots than we did last Sunday 🙄

My favourite World Cup for non-England games was 1994. It was forecast to be a damp squib, but it was iconic for me. I was probably the right age for it to make a big impression, but despite our absence it was filled with Romario & Bebetto, Hagi, Stoichkov, Baggio, The Ireland games, Klinsmann and a Maradonna swansong. I probably watched more games at that tournament than any other

Reading the last few pages, Sunday has scarred some of our posters more than they realise. They're desperately trying to find some sort of high ground to try and comfort ourselves and strike back against the result. If I was a Burnley fan I'd be pissing myself reading this. We got hammered. JDT ballsed it up. Suck it up, don't rise to the (relatively tame) jibes and let's hope that by March he's learnt his lessons.

It's on Bet365

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_International_Cup Porto seem to take this seriously, have won the competition twice and have been runners up once. Most of our players with first team experience will be absent. Porto 5/6, Draw No Bet seems a knocking bet.

Having an intense dislike for someone you are about to play, and also being ranked surprisingly high, doesn't mean you will be "up for it". Unfortunately 😒

So why have every other club who they have played this season managed to carry more of an attacking threat than we did? How have Luton, Blackpool, Hull, Preston, Cardiff and Stoke managed to not only put up a half-decent showing and take points off them if nobody an compete with them because of money? Why did we carry on with the same build-from-the back tactics at 1-0 after it had massively failed for the first 60 minutes?

We got mullered football-wise first half but we limited them to 3 chances. We got mullered second half again, except they eventually broke through as they had been threatening. We got absolutely destroyed at 4-2-3-1 because we could get the ball to the 4 advanced players. This is because we couldn't keep the ball when we passed it out from the goalkeeper when we had 9 players sat around or own area. So once we have only 7 players there and keep playing the same way we go even worse. It was such a bad performance, we became are the only team to play Burnley this season that managed less that 3 shots in the game, and that includes two lower league teams. It was an absolute shit show because everybody's hero JDT is stubborn and unadaptable.

That's nonsense with regards to how bad we got battered. Blackpool had a ding-dong battle and got a draw. Rotherham conceded in the 112th minute but scored twice and did look dangerous on the break. I'd be surprised if there's any team burnley have played this season that have caused them as little problem up front as we did.

I've fixed it for you. Having played on Sunday, he could easily have sat tomorrows fixture out and played in Slovakia on Sunday. There is then a 20 day break between the second Chile fixture and the Preston game.

Play it around at the back. Try and pull the opposition out of shape and then move the ball quickly into that space. It works at Ewood when the opposition sit near the half way line and allow us to knock it around and probe. It doesn't work when the opposition are sat on your 18 yard line waiting for you to do it.

Very few are calling for his head. It's just that not, only have we lost every game we have conceded first, in all but 1 we haven't scored a single goal. The passing from the back works against team that allow us time. It's brought us a huge number of wins, and as you say once we are infront we seem to be able to defend that lead. But any time a team closes us down and presses us we just give the ball away. There are countless examples home and away. Go watch the last 20 minutes of Birmingham and Huddersfield, and as soon as they start really coming at us to try and get back in the game and press, we lose control. Therefore, when we start a game and are immediately getting closed down from the front we rarely manage to get forward and we are just waiting to concede. It was obvious to most regular Rovers watchers that we were not in that first half at all on Sunday, and we could not even get the ball up to the forwards on the half way line. But we persisted in playing the same way until we conceded, and then still carried on that way for the rest of the game. The one solitary shot we had in the whole game probably came from the only long ball I can remember from a centre half. Now the reason I'm so disheartened (still), is that he sticks to this so stubbornly. We all know that if we are 1-0 down at half time against Preston and can't get out of our half, he will carry on doing the same shit. Imagine how many points we could have had if by going forward more direct when plan A isn't working had actually managed to alter any of those 9 defeat. And the more teams become aware of it, the more teams will start doing it. In a high profile fixture Sheff United showed the league how to handle Burnley. Burnley have just done the same with us.

Surely he did that after Luton, Wigan and Coventry. And yet it was rinse and repeat yesterday. They will sit down, watch it but I now fully believe it will be the same again next time a team presses us high up the pitch. That's the frustration. Its not just an isolated game or a bad day at the office. It happens way too often and there is no signs of it being corrected. Your reply will be "well they now have several weeks to work on it". But I absolutely guarantee it will happen again in one of the next two away games. Any manager with any adaptability would have said at half time yesterday to start clearing your lines quicker and picking up the second ball. I'm still stunned as to his decision to carry on as we were, even at 2-0 down.

The atmosphere pre-game in the ground was good and as you would expect, as was the noise from the Rovers fans in the first 20 minutes. But somewhere in that first half the belief seemed to get sucked out of the fans and the atmosphere went. Then once the first goal went in we went quiet.

I don't know about those that made their own way there, but again the coach convoy situation was well planned and left little chance for any confrontation. With no trains running, most people who didn't go on the coach will have drove, and it would have just been small groups going to and from the ground. If Burnley have 5000 tickets for the return game, and they move to and from the railway stations in their 100's, I suspect it will be a bit more problematic.

Well they had the two headers and there Barnes chance that went into the side netting. Plus they had all of the play in our half and were making us defend. I'd hardly say untroubled. The general consensus at half time was change things or it was only a matter of time before they scored. And that was correct. And when they scored we didn't change a thing other than personnel. We carried on with the same side-ways passing at the back and kept giving the ball away. I don't get why we are set up to just defend, defend, defend anyway. As I said, every team which has gone to Burnley this year has managed significantly more goal attempts than we did, including Shrewsbury and Lincoln.

The players take no responsibility as they are under instruction not to hoof it. I will tell you now when they are under press they would rather boot the ball long than get caught in possession or give it away. We only started doing this once JDT rocked up. Under any normal manager if we gave the ball away along the back line as often as we did yesterday you get dropped. With JDT it is almost like if you don't play that way and clear it too often you will lose your place as 'that's not how he wants to do it". If JDT had said at half time "playing out from the bak is not working. Don't rush your goal kicks and start playing it longer and picking up the second balls" then it would have stopped. Why didn't he? Stubborn. 2) As for the goal, the ref might have been entitled to have had a word or even booked him, but once the ball crosses the line it's a goal. Barnes could have picked Kaminsky up and body-slammed him after the ball crosses the line, but it's still a perfectly good goal.

If that hymn sheet is continue to pass it around pointlessly at the back, even when we are getting outplayed and our only chance has come from our solitary long ball, then GB is a stubborn idiot as well. Unless you can offer any explanation why this tactic is persevered with all season when it has consistently led to us being unable to create chances, let alone a single goal, whenever we have gone behind in a league game away from home?

I'm not taking the game in isolation either Chaddy. I'm looking at the performances over the whole season, especially games such as Wigan and Luton away, and asking "Why do we play it out from the back when it isn't working". If that was a one-off event I'd just shrug my shoulders, but it has happened it loads of games and yet JDT doesn't learn. The worry is it will happen again, and again, and again. In some games, especially when not getting closed down, it works for us. But when it clearly isn't working like in the first half why not play a different way. You even said it yourself after the game there was too much of it. And yet you and I know if we are a goal down against Preston and are getting outplayed it will be more of the same. I've just braved the highlights for the first time during my lunch. Our 1 shot in the whole match comes from the centre half launching it 50 yard up field and then we win the second ball. If our only shot is created that way, and we only did it about 3 times in the whole game, what does that tell you? As for the foul, the ball is already in the back of the net long before he makes contact with Kaminsky. Garrett was shite on the ball, especially first half. The one exception was the ball out to Brereton. I wouldn't put him better or worse than the other two in midfield, but Wharton or Buckley would surely have been better on the ball.

Although I remember listening on the radio and the bitter disappointment in my house, I was a little too young to understand the significance of it. For me losing the penalties at Bramall Lane in 93 was the worst I've felt coming off a ground. I genuinely believed we were going to Wembley one way or another that year. I think that taught me a lot about disappointment. The difference yesterday was I knew exactly how it would pan out. I posted it on page 2 here. I knew full well JDT would play that way and fully expected what we got. I went in hope rather than anticipation, hope that JDT would actually try and avoid it playing out as it did. As @jim mk2says, it's hardly a shock based on many of our away performances this season. I think those who believed we would win are the most disappointed. Nothing wrong with that. I think I'd braced myself for it.

I was far, far more pissed off after throwing that 2 goal lead away at Preston a few years ago. Or Roberts and McCarthy missing those 2 penalties against Bolton.

I actually find it hard to be mad at the players, which normally isn't the case after a shit-show of a performance. They are clearly told to not hoof it under pressure. Pickering hoofed it last Saturday against Huddersfield and it led to the only goal of the game. He probably got dropped because of it !!!!! The fact is I was more annoyed at the players for the performance at Wigan, a team clearly inferior man for man against who we also hardly created a decent attack against. Burnley was always going to be a bit of an uphill slog and trying to out football them wasn't going to work. Never was. I'm only furious at the set up and the stubborn persistence to play out from the back, which creates very little and costs us goals. I like JDT and I like the league position we are in, but the anger this morning is totally caused by him. @rog of the roverssays not to over-react and lessons must be learned. But we have all been saying about playing out from the back since the start of the season. It cost us at Luton, it cost us at Wigan. Back in August there are posts saying 'imagine if we go to Burnley and concede goals playing like this'. And yet here we are, having played exactly that way and done exactly that. So what we are seeing is not an over-reaction to a bad performance yesterday. It's a reaction to a manager who DOES NOT LEARN and persists in doing the same thing with the same players with no evidence it is of any benefit in games where we are getting outplayed.

I've only been in work 15 minutes and the non-Rovers fans (and the Burnley fan) are asking the same questions. "Why do you keep rolling it our from the back" "Why don't you clear your lines" "Why do you pass to a player who is marked. It's a project boys. Get on board.

JDT - can you give a proper answer to any of the questions above other than just saying "It's a project. They're a young side. Wait till we have had time to work on it in the World Cup break" ?

But at least he’d change his fucking game plan from time to time. I could go back and find plenty of posts all season about how playing out at the back is dangerous if you are not good enough. When it’s not working we need a plan B. Surely actually being able to change the way the team is playing when you are playing very poorly is a simple ask for any competent manager. And yet games such as Wigan, Luton, Coventry and again today are all the same. We fuck about and don’t go anywhere. In that first half today how many times did Kaminsky roll the ball out in his area to a defender and we ended up losing it within 35 years from our goal. 5? 6? It’s happened all season. It was first commented on at Celtic in July! Our brighter (and I say that loosely) moments in the first half where when we got SG and BB on the ball around the box. And those instances tended to come by going front to back quicker (as did our 1 shot on target). And yet the second half we played the same way, and when we went a goal behind we still did the exact same shit which ultimately led to the 2nd goal and killed the game. Stubborn. Now I’ve no problem with tippy tippy plan A if that’s how he wants to play. It’s reaped it’s rewards and our league position shows that. However it’s also why we have lost so many games so spectacularly badly. As soon as any team presses up on us and puts us under serious pressure we can’t pass it out and struggle. Even in games we’ve won at home such as Birmingham, Sunderland and Huddersfield, once that team has realised they need to push on to salvage the game, they’ve suddenly had us on the back foot. The evidence is there even in the games we have won. And yet he refuses to change it - ever. After the first goal we should have been going a bit more direct. How hard can it be for Kaminsky to kick it up field and for the midfield to push up and try to win the second ball. It’s not like it could be any less effective than what we saw all game. I’ve no issue with losing to Burnley. I expected it and they have better players than we do. But we had 1 fucking shot (on or off target) all game and that sums up out performance completely. And for all the “ooh. Burnley are a Ferrari “ posts, how is it Crawley and Shrewsbury can muster more shots, let alone every other Championship side?