Don't worry. The last times we have got some strikers from the SPL we got the Scottish Wayne Rooney and night club favourite Stokes. Why wouldn't you want to go back to that market?

Another thing that pisses me off about TM is that his scapegoats are all promising youngsters: Raya, Nayambe and now Travis. Blimey if we have to have a scapegoat there's a fair few more deserving - Ayala, Douglas, Bell, Gally, Bereton, Johnson, Evans to name a few this season. There's quite a few I'd like to see frozen out. But oh no, it's always the good ones.

I'll say this. He's a sneaky bugger linking anyone wanting him gone with a hire and fire short term approach. Total bull but a very clever link to make. A deceptive and cunning turd is our Tony.

Look I am no fan of Coyle but strongly disagree Coyle is on a par with TM. TM is far worse than Coyle. Here's why: 1. Lies - both told them (Coyle knew some contract situations but not others) but TM has told way more. In fairness he has been here longer but his seem of a greater extent. Nayambe's injury situation for one is Kean-esque. As is the judge me on performances not results. Other things are reality defying which o can't recall Coyle doing, such as rewriting when Graham went out of the team. Verdict TM worse. 2. TM has insulted the fans far more. From blaming for Nayambe's injury to saying we won't be satisfied as we remember winning the premiership. Verdict TM worse. 3. Corruption - Coyle getting the job as outstanding candidate. TM getting his mate as boss and the training ground fiasco. verdict TM far worse. 4. Alienation of young players. Coyle did a bit with Warton and didn't use youngster enough. But TMs treatment of Raya and Nayambe has been shocking. TM worse again. 5. Transfer duds. Stokes was pretty appalling but he didn't cost £7 or even £5 million. Expensive payoff and an utter flop but TM beats him for blowing all the budget on non scoring strikers. And that's before we get onto Walton or Ayala... 6. Past record. Tie - maybe Coyle slightly worse as failure everywhere bar Burnley, but the Celtic failure is pretty huge. Perhaps Coyle edges this one. 7. Coyle had his best players sold. TM hasn't had to have anyone sold who he didn't want to. TM has had £15 million to spend. I think Coyle had £250k to spend. Verdict TM way worse. 8. Additional cock ups. Coyle wins for the Duffy fiasco, not taking him off, dropping him, disciplining him for throwing the Cardiff game. Coyle worse. 9. Best team - neither really knew this whatsoever but given 4 years to clock this I would say this is a bigger failing in TM. Also Could never played Gally at right back. TM worse. So overall TM has been worse. More lies, more corruption, more incompetence. Not that this is an endorsement of Coyle. He was utterly crap too. But less crooked and in much more challenging circumstances.

Yeah good argument there from Tony. It would be daft to sack a manager if they sacked a manager for losing three on the bounce. But how about six on the bounce? Or with one win in 14? I mean as a defence it would be good if those were the options but they're not whatsoever the two alternatives we are facing. Surprised - well I am not - that no one called him out on this as his defence is utterly at odds with reality and the situation. He can do one. Second worse manager behind Kean now imo. Ince and Coyle were useless but less objectionable.

Yes because a few wins between now and the end of the season will erase the 1 win in 14, Ayala being signed, Gally playing right back, the selection tombola, the training ground scam, t snide comments about fans, the (almost) never scoring in the first half (and none too often outside of that of late either), the rushing players back from injury, the previous seasons' poor runs whenever we look like we might do something. Definitely tricky to get a good view/assessment of TM at present.

I have to analyse why this happened. The consequences have to come directly to me, I decided who played, the style we were trying to play so I have to be the first one to face those questions. Thats what the Huddersfield manager said last night after the thumping by Norwich. Has TM ever said the consequences should come to him or he should face questions? In fact he's the opposite and things no one has a right to question him. Would be nice if he could take just a smidgen of this accountability.

Sorry @Stuart I mean in the context of this (which Rev sums up better than me) the trio making the plan and this being TM's role in it. Not saying this is why he was appointed originally but this is what I think his role has been in this illicit scheme. Let's play up the honest man guff and use that to keep fans onside.

Listen mate, if you are still here after all the crap from the last 10 years you're a flipping good fan in my book.

Oh it's entirely possible I will give you that. Worry is the word. What's noticeable there is the total implosion of 6 losses in a row to end it. With the fragility of our lot mentally that's certainly possible. it takes that kind of an implosion for this situarion to happen, but it could especially if the pressure is on. I could be wrong though but our record in the last 14 is better than any 14 of Hull's run in Marginal differences admittedly but it may be the difference to staying up. Any normal club would ha booted the manager out just to get the caretaker boost to ensure we are safe.

I see your reasoning and it's a sadly solid argument. That said Rotherham aren't that good and fatigue will set in with all the extra games they have to play. Boro are no mugs though - getting a good result Vs Watford - and could be pushing for playoffs so certainly won't have that down as a Rotherham win. The other two teams do have some good players though which means it's far from a forgone conclusion that Rotherham win those two games. They didn't beat Millwall who have a similar mid table beach vibe. I'm not saying it's not possible - it is and that's a terrible indictment of TM - but I still don't think it is probable. They haven't looked that convincing at any point this season. More likely from those games is 4 points, perhaps 6 max, which still gives us a bit of breathing room. Even a win against us on top of those 6 points and we are still 2 ahead even without picking another point up. They would still need to get an additional win even if we didn't pick up another point. So that's 4 wins from 7 to 9 games that they have. That's a big ask for a poor team. And this is assuming we don't pick up any more points. We looked decent against Norwich, and in the last 7 or so games have picked up 7 points. Now that is far from praise worthy or laudable but assuming we keep on a similar vein we're likely to pick up a few more points via draws meaning Rotherham will need another win on top of that. 7 from 42 isn't good, and whilst 7 from the last 7 (I think) is still pathetic it suggests we can limp to the finish line. Huddersfield will be on there hols, Cardiff are having a wobble - both games I can see us getting a point in. These extra points would mean Rotherham need to get another positive result on top of the ones already listed. It's getting a bigger ask by the moment. The final thing I would add is I have seen a number of undeserved wins this season. The Millwall first time round game (I think) sticks out when we had a stupid 4-2-2-2 formation, players all over the place and yet still fluked a win. There's every chance that more by error or design we might fluke a result - there are some quality players in the dross (Elliott and Armstrong) that could bail us out. A few fluked results - draws or wins and the task grows even more difficult for Rotherham. It may be tight but I am confident we will just stay up. An extra 3 or 4 games on top of what's left (for both teams) and I would probably have a different conclusion.

Not much - which is a polite way of saying naff all. Please don't mistake what I am saying - I'm not saying we aren't dire, we are. I'm not convinced we will be getting a load of points either - - a couple of draws at best imo. What I am saying is that I can't see, specifically Rotherham but perhaps a couple of others too, overcoming an 11 point gap with so few games remaining. Even if they all best us Rotherham, Sheffield etc all need another few wins outside of thar. And other teams are not as obliging as us. So to sum up there's nothing in our performances, rather I think the 11 point gap is enough to see us sneak home safe this year. Next one does look a nightmare though. And please don't take me thinking we will stay up for a lack of concern at how badly things have gone and how poor we now are.

By the way that question about our current longest serving player really ought to come with a health warning.

Sorry mate. I got 13. A few were guesses mind!

Hard to disagree with that! But the other three? That's what I am not convinced about.

I'll miss your wildly over optimistic comments. Not sure such an ultimatum is necessary.

Rotherham haven't beaten Millwall or Wycombe. Even we managed one win Vs these teams. Honestly with form like that I can't see where they will get 3 or 4 wins from. Crap though isn't it, relying on other teams to be crap so that we can stay up...

With TM still in post after 1 win in 14 it shouts out that he is here for non footballing reasons. And that got me thinking - what's his role in this? It's clear Waggott is the business part of it and Venus has links with property developers and the like. I am beginning to suspect TM is the face of the project to ease fans fears and get support for the project. What if all this man of integrity, honest working chap guff isn't just self preservation but an image to project to fans to help smooth the way for the training ground project? As in such an honest guy endorses it, then it must be ok type thing. And up till very recently, and perhaps still, TM has that persona with large swathes of the fan base. After all he's not short on other excuses for why we are crap. And why else keep a manager who is abjectly failing? Maybe "Honest Tony" is the PR for the project.

Agree lockdown has been a huge help for him as no criticism. Given he cannot take even the slightest bit of questioning (how arrogant) it's probably only fed into his god complex as well. As for the press - I'm yet to see any real challenge. And if 1 win in 14 doesn't garner more searching questions I can't see 1 in 15 or even 20 doing so either.

Ah. Well that's encouraging to hear. Mind you like we need Travis. Because next season Rothwell and the Trybull will be tearing it up in the middle, Downing has another year left in him, Johnson a couple more years left and Holtby and Evans can do the hard yards. We've also got Buckley who can play there if he isn't needed at right back or false nine. So totally covered and not a problem if Travis is frozen out whatsoever.

If only the poor chap could have spent some.money on our forward line.

In other words you can't understand and therefore question me. What a deluded plank to think he is unchallengeable.

Although given we have Cardiff next that could be cause for optimism. Or a rebound hiding for us. Cardiff aren't in great form at the moment. Feel we could get a point from that game which would lurch us towards safety.

“I take pride in the performances, not the results, I’ve always said that I’m a performance related coach and I think the performance of the team has generally been good. Well I think this is the nub of the problem. If you think the performances are good no wonder we are on a terrible run. I'm also a tad bemused that you think that the results and performances have no correlation. Perhaps in one or two games but not 14. If TM genuinely can't see the correlation between the two or thinks performances have been good he is utterly deluded. Or he doesn't think that's the case and he is utterly lying. Lying to save his sorry hide. Which would make a mockery of Mr Integrity. So either he is deluded or lying. Either way it shows his time is up.

Honestly can't see us going down. Rotherham are looking weak and unlikely to win, and the chances of Wednesday and Rotherham all winning a few on the bounce is very unlikely. They need a 50% win ratio just to catch us up and that's not going to happen. Add in if we get a couple of draws, or fluke a win somewhere, and that means another win is needed on top of that. And whilst a win is questionable I can see a few draws Cardiff aren't in great form for example, Huddersfield will be a dead rubber match, plus we play some of the weakest teams in the division. 2 more points from that means that Wednesday and Rotherham need 4 wins each to overtake us and that isn't happening. Next season however looks terrifying if TM is still here.