As others have said, two very poor teams and a draw was probably fair. Would have been happier if our first draw had broken our streak of losing when we go a goal down, rather than winning when we go a goal up, obviously.

Yowie wowie Bristol City are bad, fortunately for us. Scoring the first goal has always a good omen for us so far this season 🤞

Is Gallagher carrying a knock or something? I know he's poor but does JDT seriously believe Vale is a better option?

I like that the "young team" nonsense was challenged as well. A shame that nothing close to this level of questioning was ever given to Mowbray. One can only wonder why.

I mean, our record when going behind is so embarrassing that he'd either have to throw himself or the players under the bus if he was to give any kind of detailed response. So something vague is probably the only sensible option.

Amusingly Pep actually called them out for this in his press conference afterwards. Also had a pop at the team despite the comeback, so yeah, not a happy camper!

It was exactly the same under Mowbray though, so I don't think it can solely be put down to coaching. Probably need to recruit a few real winners, players who genuinely feel angry if they lose a contest, rather than just post 'we go again' on social media.

£8m for Diaz wouldn't really be a vindication of the model considering we'd be breaking even on him at best, and will have gained nothing beyond mid-table Championship finishes. £15m for Armstrong was a better example of where the so-called model actually worked, probably more through luck than conscious effort.

Tbf I never watched anything specific to Burnley whilst they were in the PL. To me it feels very small time to gloat over their defeats in the Premier League whilst we were going nowhere in the Championship.

I can remember watching it sporadically for the first couple of years after we were relegated, more out of habit than anything else. Nowadays I'll maybe catch it if there's a surprising result, but it's not like that happens too often these days. I think the last MOTD I watched was early in the season when Brentford beat Man Utd 4-0.

The fact Ferguson was able to adapt his management style across multiple eras and remain hugely successful has always been extremely impressive to me. No matter how much money you have to play with, that still takes some doing. As far as Rovers are concerned, impossible to be as invested as I was pre-Venky's as I feel that most of the time the club is not interested in matching the passion that the remaining fans have. They take what's left of the fanbase for granted and that makes it difficult to care in the same way I once did. I'm obviously still invested in the club, otherwise I wouldn't be posting here or attending matches when I'm able, but it's more in the hope that one day we'll get the news that Venky's are selling up and everything is being reset. I can say for sure that over the past decade I've completely lost interest in the Premier League though. Ten years ago I could name the first eleven from most PL squads, nowadays I'd barely be able to name two or three from most.

We heard the same nonsense from Mowbray when he was in charge, about how the team was too young to be consistent or reliable. It was bollocks then, too, demonstrably so. Looking at yesterday's starting lineup... Kaminski - 30 JRC - 23 Ayala - 32 Hyam - 27 Pickering - 24 Morton - 20 Garrett - 19 Dack - 29 Hedges - 27 Gallagher - 27 Vale - 21 Literally not a single player under 19. The only players you can call proper youngsters in that team are Morton, Garrett and Vale. Most of those players are what most would consider a prime age of between 23 - 30. Meanwhile Rotherham had a 36 year old in defence. The issue is not age but a decline in quality in the key areas of CM and attack. Even if we had our older CM's available, that leaves us with a choice of Buckley, Szmodics and Travis... all of whom are struggling for any kind of form. Meanwhile without BBD our attacking options are Gallagher, Vale, Markanday and Dolan. Between them they've managed 11 goals in all comps so far this season, compared to BBD's 10. I still maintain that yesterday was more about mentality than quality. I don't think man-for-man Rotherham have better quality in their starting eleven than ours, we just crumble if we concede the first goal. Going one down in the opening minute is an immediate death blow to this team. However, in a more general sense we are crying out for decent, experienced heads in the centre of the park and up top. That's why Greg's comments about not wanting to buy 27 year olds is concerning to me. Players in that age bracket are precisely what we need, not more young players with fragile mindsets and nobody on the pitch to pull them together when things aren't going well. We need some real leaders and that trait is generally boosted by having experience. It may not fit into the ideal goal of 'the project' but sometimes you need to take a step back before taking more steps forward.

People say this after every Everton defeat and for whatever reason it never happens. Only managed 3 wins during the entire season, should have been out on his arse a long time ago, and imagine he would have been if he wasn't Frank Lampard.

Tbf considering we've not seen much of Brittain either thanks to injuries we probably should wait to judge his transfer as well? Feels like most positive judgement on Brittain comes from a couple of decent games at the start of the season and a good reputation from before he joined us.

Just glad JDT didn't say something like "did we really lose 4-0 though? Or did we only lose 1-0 as they'll never score three other goals like that again?"

Brereton has played in most of our performances when we went behind and failed to perform afterwards, no?

I just feel that, as essentially the same squad has been 2nd/3rd at the half way point in consecutive seasons now, lack of quality is unlikely to be the definitive factor. I feel like mentality is the real culprit, although lacking either across portions of the team is obviously problematic.

I understand, it's just a first for me!

If it was that bad could we really be 3rd though?

Have to say this is the first time I can remember anyone saying "did we get hammered?" after a 4-0 defeat.

Surely even the most blue and white tinted specs supporters now have to admit we have a major problem within the squad in terms of mentality? A loss every single time we go behind and, unless I'm mistaken, not a single goal scored in those defeats either. We can't just keep putting it down to bad luck.

Must be up there with Rotherham's biggest Championship league win ever?

Shameful. Every away fan should be refunded.

Gallagher and Vale. Lmao. The Williamson and Lowe of attacking positions. But at least we didn't throw £5n down the toilet on Williamson or Lowe.

Have we even scored a single goal in a league game this season where we've fallen behind?