We're just going to lose all our assets and be left stuck with Mowbray, kids and loans aren't we? The stuff of nightmares. I long for the day these scumbags are gone. And no, a kid from Norwich who has never done anything in return for our 25 goal a season talisman is not good business nor is money we won't spend

Waggott's looking into it. He'll let us know.

Not much point in having a football club is there really? Everything is too expensive or too hard work, from producing a programme to selling tickets. Nobody wants to work here. Can't even sign players.

Would you really, honestly do that? Or are you just saying that because you expect that is what will happen because the club is such a shambles? I suspect you and the manager along with pretty much everyone else would, if they could, favour signing experienced professionals for these positions rather than gambling the season and the club's future on kids.

The above is the senior squad and these players are in the u23 squad. You do realise that we have two squads and need two squads and that everyone in the u23s isn't automatically a first team squad player?

This is the message I get on the season ticket page

So just to sum up then: - Season tickets second to last in the Championship to be announced and put on sale, now expecting lowest sales in decades - Club shop shut all day on Tuesday, just 4 days before the season opener at home - New kit among the last to be unveiled and put on sale - Rumours that no programmes are to be produced for the first time in what, a century? Only club in the Championship not bothering? - Still no news on Millwall away tickets, with the game in 10 days time - No news on Millwall away travel, and rumours that the Club might not even be running this unless they can guarantee numbers - Reports that people are ringing up to buy tickets but are facing impossibly long queues and waiting times. Somehow I suspect this is a supply issue rather than demand. - No comments from our CEO who has said barely a word this year - No new signings of any description

Too much effort. The club seems to want to avoid any hassle in anything it does. So little pride. There will be non league outfits producing match programmes yet Blackburn Rovers in the Championship can't be arsed. If it is too much effort to produce a programme what else are they dodging?

Derby are favourites for relegation because Mel Morris is desperate to get shut of them and has scaled back all his funding after 4-5 years of huge spending and failure to get promoted. He's also had health issues. They've had at least 2 takeovers fall through, so he's doing the bare minimum to keep them ticking over until a takeover gets sorted. All sounds very familiar to what is going on here except he's man enough to admit he's had enough and is trying to get out and sell them, whereas we are stuck with Venkys and their suicidal management of the club and they won't let us go. They've also got a safety net of 20,000 fans a week turning up and won't be selling off their academy. Yes i do want Mowbray out. Of course I should have started my post by saying the first thing we should have done going into the summer was to remove this management team and then back a new manager. The cost of relegation to League One is greater than any FFP sanction. A transfer embargo would be no worse than what we have now - which seems to be a self imposed embargo. We could live with an embargo if before it we stocked the squad up with good players on solid contracts that we could sell if needed. We can't do that at the moment because we've allowed our assets to run their contracts down. Nothing has been learned.

Just my view but I would rather spend this summer on the reinforcements we need to ensure we can at least survive in the Championship, and deal with any consequences of overspending next summer when we have assets on the books we can sell in a better climate than not spend anything under the guise of FFP rules, get relegated and then be really stuffed. Forget about points deductions - they don't happen for overspending - see Derby, Reading, QPR. And before anyone says 'Sheffield Wednesday' their points deduction was for fiddling their accounts to try and avoid trouble. This is of course assuming that FFP is the reason we aren't spending. I think it is more likely Venkys have just spent enough and are fed up again so nothing can happen. If FFP is the issue then again I raise why Millwall, PNE, Barnsley, Luton and just about everyone else in this divison can compete, outperform us with much lower losses and avoid FFP trouble. Mismanagement is the word. Does anyone pay the price for this and get sacked?

I expect us to get a result here. Probably a score draw and an entertaining match which will then have folk out thinking all is well with the world and Mowbray has answered his critics. Swansea, along with Derby and ourselves, are perhaps the crisis clubs at this moment in time and we need a win. The sole ambition for this season is to get to 50 points

Spot on, excellent summary. Very sad to read but I feel much the same way. I have relented and renewed, but i am not looking forward to the season and I have had a choice to make this summer, for the first time in my life, as to whether i was going to renew or not (previously there would have been no choice at all to think about). I wrote to the Club in early July and have had a short email back saying that it had been recieved and someone would get back to me. No other response. This just sums up the operation to me - they can't even be bothered to respond to fans concerns. The main reason for my decision to renew was nothing to do with the football or supporting the club, but because my friend wanted to renew, the third member of our group decided he wasn't renewing so I felt I needed to keep things going and not let my mate down. Interest is waning all around and this is a dangerous path to go down.

Where's the conspiracy theory? Fact: people are deciding to leave the club in their droves. Option 1 is your view which is that everything is hunky dory and it just so happens all these people get better offers all at once or suddenly have 'family reasons' which lead them to work elsewhere. Option 2 is my view which is that the club is a wreck and is falling apart and nobody wants to be a part of it any longer and these people are grasping an opportunity to work somewhere better. No conspiracy theory, just uncomfortable and unpleasant reality IMO.

I'm not having it that these departures are anything to do with FFP and attempts to cut the wage bill to achieve compliance. First off costs such as Billy Barr and Simon Cooper are exempt from these calculations as academy costs, in the same way maintenance and ground staff are. We could employ 100 ground staff and their costs would not count towards FFP. Secondly whatever we've saved by these people leaving will be utterly minimal in addressing losses it is a pointless exercise. Thirdly there's no evidence these people have been pushed out or made redundant. All have got roles lined up elsewhere which suggests they have been off trying to move away themselves. No, this is plain old Venky cost cutting, once again conveniently covered with the excuse of FFP. I expected this when there was all the talk of 'embargo' back in June. Plant it in people's minds that the cause of our issues isn't Venkys but those nasty rules. Looks like the staff at the club can't wait to get out of here including jumping ship to lower league clubs. This gives an indication as to morale around the place and the feeling as to how things are going to go. I never cease to be amazed by Chaddy who thinks these departures are normal, routine, nothing to be concerned about. Head in sand.

I think the sum total of it will be that if/when a vacancy arises, either because Mowbray packs it in or because someone eventually persuades Venkys to pull the trigger (far too late like with Coyle) then it will be the usual confusion. What do we do next, where do we go, who do we turn to. So they pick up the phone to the hired help and ask them to bring someone in who will be cheap and delighted to have a job at a club like this. Suggest a few names etc. Usually that will mean someone off the scrapheap e.g. Mowbray or Coyle. Sometimes might get lucky if the timing is fortunate and someone decent is on the lookout - at the time Lambert and Warnock was receptive to it we know that - but if those people wind up here and Venkys muck them around it won't last and then the cycle repeats. So the choice seems to be between the desperados grateful for a job who will play the Venky game and dance to their tune - or those willing to come here but not desperate to who won't put up with nonsense and will go elsewhere if they don't get backing and sensible decisions.

We could do a lot worse than Neil as manager and he's one I'd be pretty happy with. However, I'm struggling to believe there's any truth in the suggestion he's lined up or even been looked at by Rovers or that there is some plan in place on Mowbray. If they weren't going to remove him last season when he took us towards a relegation battle with that squad and not this summer when a new man might have a chance next season then why wait a few games this?

Don't need a training ground or academy if there's nobody left to work in them.

Coventry have just passed 10,000 sales. Anyone else reckon that we will have the lowest season ticket sales in the whole Championship? Struggling to think of many rivals for that position. We've done all we can though.

Sunderland have got themselves new owners though. As daft as it might sound I'd have shook hands on staying in League One for 3-4 years if it meant getting rid of Venkys and getting a different billionaire in the place like Sunderland have. Again it might sound daft but I'd sooner be in Sunderland's position now than ours - like Bolton they are emerging from the ashes, we are yet to go into it and even if we do will Venkys let go?

What players was Bowyer allowed to sign? 4 cheap free agents and a loan? Guthrie, Akpan, Delfouneso, Koita and Lawrence wasn't it? If that's Venky's backing the manager after selling Gestede and Cairney for £10 million then that's not good enough, but probably a clue as to the level of backing Mowbray might get in the event Armstrong is sold.

They sold that lad to Crystal Palace but that was a good while ago

Impressive looking business. All with similar gates to ours and whilst selling season tickets for £250. Shows it can be done. Weren't they the sort of club we were trying to avoid with their FFP issues?

Yes and also stemming from this is 'interest' in our better players. If a player is happy and settled at the club and can see that there is a plan and ambition here then he will sit tight. But when players see the club is a sinking ship, all over the place or realise that a poor manager is unsackable then they will start getting itchy feet and making noises via their agents. Then people like Nixon come with their weekly 'exclusives' and the whole circus takes off. Other clubs, who normally might not bother or would be sent packing with some firm resistance try their luck knowing a player has an eye on the exit door and knowing the club is a shambles. A snowball effect and there's all sorts of elements to it. I very much doubt it is just Club X wants our player and the player wants a pay rise. We supporters probably know but a fraction of the shenanigans that go on behind the scenes.

The rapidly changing world we are in when our u23 boss is jacking it in to go and be assistant manager at Salford City because they are paying more or are seen as a more exciting/attractive place to be.

We might as well be now