This is 2015 all over again. Venkys got bored or lost faith after a couple of years of backing Bowyer and he was a dead man walking from that summer on. It was obvious. Not invited to India for his chat, rumours of him being sacked, no money to spend resulting in signings like Delfouneso and Koita. But it dragged on until November by which time we were entrenched in the bottom third and the season was gone. Sadly I think there is a repeat ahead here, except rather than looking over our shoulders at the bottom 3 we are quickly going to be looking upwards at the safety spots. I also think Mowbray has his feet much further under the table than Bowyer ever did which is going to make his removal less likely and more likely that they just leave the carnage to unfold and the decision with Mowbray as to if he has the determination to hang on or throw in the towel.

So he's getting paid more being assistant manager at a fourth division club than he is managing our u23s in a Category A academy This offers an insight into salary levels around the place and also adds further confusion as to where this £20 million a year actually goes.

Is that a fact or assumption? Why can Huddersfield offer better wages? Do you think that is acceptable? And before you start saying parachute payments theirs are decreasing now and they have had the legacy of a crippling wage bill to deal with since in the Prem. They haven't got billionaire owners and haven't offloaded 11 players including some of their biggest earners this summer which should have freed up significant space to play with.

Waggott thinks that the supporters were all born yesterday, and that the peasants will just accept whatever excuse/rationale he comes out with. Sadly that is correct for a large chunk of our support base, who can't see the wool being pulled over their eyes. Fortunately there are a good number of us who can see through it all and can see the likes of him are actually unworthy of this club and are not to be trusted.

Community use? Since when was the purpose of our training ground to provide a facility for the community to use? With the demands of a professional football club, academy, full time staff, rehab there simply isn't the space or time for locals to use the facilities Nor do we want them there. BwD has perfectly adequate sports facilities as it is. If the community want more they can pester the council for it. Not Rovers job to provide facilities for people in Blackburn to use. I'm from Hyndburn. Would I be able to use these facilities? Accy Stanley have recently erected steel fencing to prevent locals using their training pitch so why would we be any different? Why should Joe Bloggs who supports United and does nothing for Rovers but lives in BWD get any benefit from our facilities? Do folk from Salford get to go and use Carrington for a kick about?

In what possible way would a training ground a few miles up the road but in BWD boundaries benefit the town and community? I believe that the training facilities are there for the benefit of the Club, Not the town or community many of whom do not even support Rovers. We have world class facilities in a world class environment. I'm struggling to understand any need to give that up to train on an industrial estate or playing fields in Blackburn. I keep coming back to it - why did Jack Walker build it in the Ribble Valley if it made more sense to build it in Blackburn?

No they just discovered the magic formula. Get rid of Mowbray and his gang. Things rapidly improved for them after that.

I don't recall Travis having many injuries. He had the big knee issue last season, and i think he was rushed back from that which probably caused further issues last year and I think he admitted he was struggling to get back to full steam after that. Prior to that I don't remember him missing many games at all due to injury. I stand to be corrected. Another one who could probably benefit from new faces and voices on the training ground.

Just to clarify my earlier posts. I believe he is a regular supporter and I wasn't trying to take any issue with that. I don't know the name myself. I remain concerned by this view that having a training ground in BWD would be better or beneficial for the Club. I don't think it helps that the minutes, which should be shared among the wider fanbase, include such views without any reasoning or explanation for them. I am also concerned that those views, recorded in minutes, could later by used by the Club or Waggott to help progress their schemes.

I'm not asking anyone to ask him anything. I was just curious if this person is actually a long standing Rovers fan with a history of involvement in Forums. I've never heard of him and nobody I've spoken to has either. Interesting that he seems to have such a firm view about such a sensitive subject and that this is recorded in the minutes with no reasoning behind it. Treat everything with suspicion in this area. I'll be delighted if I'm wrong and he is a genuine fan with a (strange and baseless) view that the training ground should be moved to BWD.

Does anyone know Mushtaq Khan? He was the one who turned up at the Fans Forum saying that the training ground should be in BWD. Is he a real person or just a plant by the club to sway opinion on the forum?

I didn't say I wanted him back. I said I'd rather have him than Mowbray. I'd also rather have Bowyer back than Hasselbaink or Ainsworth, both of whom have miserable Championship records. Mowbray shouldn't have changed anything. He appointed his staff, he has to go with them. Changing them is just passing the blame elsewhere. He's the manager, he goes if results aren't good enough

Presumably another one provided with an 'opportunity too good to refuse' or furthering his career away from Ewood Park Why is it that none of these people want to or think they can further their careers at Rovers? Especially when we've such a recent record at promoting from within.

When did Venkys ever have an 'open chequebook' approach? They've neglected failed to invest properly in every facet of the club bar maybe the first team for the last 10 years. A quick look at the state of the operation at Ewood and the condition of the stadium tells us that. Anyhow, we are in the end game whichever way. I think the club is on its last legs. When you erode your match going season ticket base down to 5000 in the Championship and set yourself up for relegation by keeping a poor manager and demolishing the squad then the end is near. League One and there's no coming back not with this mob in place.

The giveaway will be later this week once the renewal deadline has passed and all unsold seats become available. Then we can go online and see for ourselves how many remain unsold. Last I heard they'd hit 5000 which is probably about what I would expect.

I would rather have Gary Bowyer and Billy Barr managing my team than Tony Mowbray and Mark Venus. Reason 1 - i think Bowyer is a better manager. His Championship results and league finishes suggests that is the case Reason 2 - even if he wasn't as good a manager I would trust Bowyer and Barr. I dont trust Mowbray or his entourage. Trying to sell off our training ground ensured that.

This. There's minimal benefit to the owners of this. Running cost wise the savings would be insignificant out of £20 million a year. This is also something that they could have explored and progressed many year ago if they were interested in such 'projects' yet nothing has happened. No the drivers of this are the middle men between Ewood Park and India. As you say why so desperate to get this done? Is this for the owners benefit, the club's benefit or others benefit? This is the key question that needs investigating. Much can happen in the chasm between here and Pune. Personally I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.

Am I the only one envious of Salford City's management team?

I'm still waiting for the excuses about Covid and how this has demolished our season ticket base. Of course the reality is that this isn't having a serious impact on sales elsewhere and actually at many clubs is actually seeing increasing numbers of sales. Bolton - 9000+ Wigan - 6000+ Rovers - about 5000 supposedly Now there can be no more damning data than that on the state this club finds itself in. And yet we are supposed to be grateful to Venkys for ensuring we don't go the same way as Bolton and Wigan. Tell you what - I'd take Bolton's position over ours right now. Debt free, 9000+ season tickets, unity, new ownership and a bright young manager.

Mowbray was yesterday's man in 2016 when he left Coventry City in ruins. He could hide behind bad ownership there and yet Mark Robins has worked under the same ownership and has hauled them to the same league and a better state than us with a fraction of the money. Mowbray's entire Christmases came at once getting this job. Sadly for us he's taking us the same way he was taking Coventry. Down and out. Same story too. Same issues, errors, gaps and negligence of key areas and aspects. I hope for all our sakes him and his chums are removed as quickly as possible.

Rovers have said they will be from the away turnstiles

I received a postcard from Dacky and the lads through the letterbox this morning. Better late than never but wonder why this is being done 2 days before the extended deadline for renewals.

I can see us starting the season in similar fashion to Coventry did in 2016-17. The parallels are remarkable - team full of kids, not enough 'men', injury prone players and reliance on loans. I have to wonder how much of that is down to inept ownership and how much is down to an inept manager who is clearly stubborn and welded to his principles and over inflated opinion of himself. I think a few are going to be surprised by how far off it we are, distracted or misled by a good performance against Leeds the other day.

Maybe he thinks this is all a laughing matter and a big joke. I don't think risking Championship status is a joke, not when it could be devastating to this club. Yet that is exactly what they are doing by allowing this situation to unfold of releasing half a squad with no plan and few options to replace them other than waiting for hand outs. I don't think it is funny that his management has wasted countless millions, including dishing out helpful contracts to his favourites for no reason. Maybe he thinks acting as a feeder/leaser club for 'giants' to offload their kids like a parent sends their toddlers off to nursery for the day is all Blackburn Rovers should be. No other Championship club would accept this. Why have we just employed his mate to lead recruitment if this is the sum total of our ambitions? No mention of the owners and their generosity again. Isn't it amazing how they suddenly disappear out of the picture when the cupboard is bare?

One of those is Bryn Law. Welshman who absolutely loves Leeds. Spent 20 odd years working for Sky trying and failing to pretend he was neutral. Looks like he's moved to a job where he can let his colours shine through.