More likely the players just aren't good enough. Shame really because the standard of International teams at the moment is average at best. France have a good forward line and Argentina have Messi. That's about it. The likes of Spain, Germany, Italy and Brazil are poor by historical standards. There was never a better time for England to win the WC than Qatar.

Exactly my point too. Not only that but he is also blaming his own tactical failings on the players and then commiserating with the fans and saying he feels sorry for us, as if to say 'aren't those players shite, letting me and the fans down'. It's weird behaviour. Or maybe he's making the point they aren't good enough to play how he wants but he's going to continue playing that way to emphasis the point he needs new players (which would be next-level stubborn)

I gave you examples of when Mogga was pragmatic and changed things. There are others. That isn't to stay he wasn't stubborn at other times as he clearly was. We are now in mini-crisis territory for JDT, we keep giving goals away and losing games (heavily) because he insists on playing out from the back. We'll now see how stubborn he is...

Not a fan of Mogga but he was pragmatic enough to change tactics when he could no longer justify what he was doing (after the Oldham game in L1, and Fulham in Championship spring to mind). JDT seems to be single-minded enough not to care, and will just carry on regardless. It will be interesting to see if he's happy to continue blaming the players or if he will eventually change his approach. Something will have to give if the team keep capitulating...

"I couldn't settle in Italy, it was like living in a foreign country" Ian Rush on his time at Juventus (he denied saying it and claimed it was Dalglish who made it up to the press 🤣)

Aye, Ossie Ardiles. Made in Blackburn.

You've bought the league at the halfway stage. Plenty of time yet for your collective arse to squeak...

Mowbray winning again tonight. It'll be happy hour in the LT comments section.

Brittain out for a few weeks with a knee injury.

Tomasson when he took over 'We're going to play fast attacking football. We want to win but we also want to entertain the fans" The reality: We've had the 2nd fewest shots per game in the league (only Rotherham have had fewer) We've had the fewest shot per game inside the 6 yard box in the whole league.

Forest have sold 5k and have been given another 750.

Utterly meaningless.

I'd agree the football is the worst I've ever seen at Ewood.

'It was 2003 lads, not the 90's' 'Well, that changes everything. Let's get behind his shit football'

I doubt most of the players give a fook that JDT won a Champions League medal in the 1990's. They'll just see a coach who is asking them to self-sabotage every week by fannying around at the back with the ball.

I had high hopes for him but he isn't fit to lace Dack's boots as a No10 if we're honest. He runs around a lot but there isn't much to show for it. It's no surprise that he was about to be loaned out by P;boro to a fellow League 1 side a few months before we signed him. He is very much a League 1 player. A very odd signing for £2m+

Well at least you now agree that the structure has changed and that Venky's do sack contracted managers😉 I don't think he can personally sack him. But he should be able to recommend he be sacked as part of his role as head of football operations. He's JDT's boss after all. Compare and contrast 5 years of Mowbray with Waggott making the 'recommendations', to use Waggott's term! Of course, if you believe in the big conspiracy and that we are run by men in the 'shadows' then it's a futile discussion.

We're only 6 points above 13th. If the wheels have come off then we'll be midtable early in the new year.

Who said 'proof'. You're strawmanning. The point was there has been a fundamental change in the structure of the club. That is undeniable. Obviously, if you want to dismiss it as 'one bloke from Norwegian football' then that's up to you, but it doesn't alter the facts.

Not really. I could come up with that plan. It's not difficult to see the merits. What I'm not doing is giving Venky's enough credit to think they are capable of pulling it off. Big difference.

We've never had a DoF before, in charge of the whole footballing operation. It's arguably the biggest footballing change in 12 years. Everyone was raving about it in the summer 'we're now run like a proper football club' etc. Of course, the proof will be in the pudding if/when it all goes tits up.

GB appears to have full oversight and has been given the remit of developing players and getting the team promoted. It's down to JDT to get the results to get promotion, whilst at the same time developing the young lads by playing them in the first team. Maybe JDT feels stymied by having to play players who aren't ready? (Phillips for example. I'd imagine Mola will be the next one dropped). Maybe JDT is making the point that part of the 'project' isn't necessarily helpful in him getting results? Or maybe it's genuine acknowledgment that results will be inconsistent because of the need to play young players and that is how it will be going forward? I agree with the premise though. It is batshit crazy developing players is prioritised over results. I just don't think that's happening. I think Venky's have looked at the Brentford model and decided to try and copy that, albeit by developing our own rather than moneyballing players from abroad (which isn't as easy post-Brexit). It's a tough ask for any manager, especially if JDT isn't actually any good at his job.

Exactly my point, So if we assume he has the powers, (why else appoint him if not?) then the club has changed from the Mogga years.

It could we argued we are a different club to 6 months ago, at least structurally. We now have a DoF in GB who is responsible for the footballing side. He's now JDT's boss. Before it seemed to be Waggott having oversight and making recommendations. So, lets see how things unravel if the team and results unravel (which may very well happen from now). GB may recommend pulling the trigger on JDT. It also depends what the remit from the owners is. I've never believed this 'they don't want to get promoted' nonsense. JDT and GB have spelled it out quite a few times that the owners target is a self-sufficient Prem team. I suppose it just depends how long JDT has been given to deliver the 'project'.

This is said before every major tournament and it never happens.