Do managers that have had a distinguished career in the game not lose dressing rooms?

Two absolute shockers. We were utter garbage in both. I’m not glossing over it, the honeymoon is well and truly over for him. But that doesn’t lead me to demand his sacking when sitting third at the season’s halfway point (and no I don’t think we’ll stay there). Lost the plot some on here.

No club, never mind this one (Well, maybe Watford) are sacking managers when 3rd in the league half way through the season. With this budget and these players, should we be second, first? ‘But, but, false position’ will be the response. We probably will fall away, I imagine we’ll finish mid table. But actual demands to sack the bloke as we stand? On what grounds? Being well beaten by sides 1st and 5th? Be angry after those two debacles, certainly, but bloody hell get a bit of perspective.

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Most fans don’t take it literally, Masher. Just a neat turn of phrase from a great football orator about the passion we have for the game. ’The most important of the non important things’ is one I like.

Not really a fair comparison. Of course in isolation Kane missing a penalty in the closing stages of a World Cup quarter final is a bigger event than a Rovers player missing one in an early season game of which there are 45 more to rectify it. What people on here are trying to say is generally if you are the kind of football fan that follows your club avidly week in week out. Go to Ewood every other week, go away etc, then you are obviously more invested, and will feel the highs and lows much more with your club than feeling particularly upset if after a bi-annual check-in with the England team on TV they happen to get knocked out. Most club fans won’t give England a second thought now until June 2024.

It’s unlikely he’d walk because he’s under contract. But if he decided it wasn’t for him, some corporate waffle spouted at a press conference months ago won’t have any bearing on it one way or the other.

Not ‘men in the shadows’. Pasha, who is the owners’ man on the ground with oversight over the whole operation. Not a conspiracy, just how it is down there and has been for many years. I’ve never said I don’t agree it’s a new structure, that’s obvious. I just don’t think the head of said structure has power to sack managers, and neither do you, so not sure what we are even disagreeing about. Oh and Venky’s have sacked one manager, Coyle, since 2015, and that’s a spell of time in which we’ve been bang average and most Championship clubs have pulled the trigger a half dozen times. So no, I’m not expecting a contracted JDT to find himself quickly out of a job.

I said proof. In *my opinion* I’m not convinced that he has executive power to fire managers. So yes, a sizeable change in the fact the manager now has less say in elements of the club like transfers etc, and is now a ‘head coach’. That GB will be overseeing the football side from academy to scouting to recruitment etc. Fine with that, gives the club continuity and brings us into line with industry best practice. But can he sack a manager? I say, no he can’t. You think otherwise, fair enough, time will tell.

People *hoped* we would now be run like a proper football club. Appointing one bloke from Norwegian football wasn’t suddenly proof of anything.

Think you maybe giving Venky’s a little too much credit if you think they are attempting to implement some kind of Brentford-esque master plan..

Maybe, maybe not. It’s been 12 years of this lot and we’ve had many ‘new dawns’ with new personnel, supposed new structures, but it has always been window dressing and the real power has still stayed with their point man. This quickly unravels like I feel it might and we’ll find out soon enough if it has actually changed down there…

The GB appointment is the surface difference from the TM reign. So it all depends on if he has the executive power to hire and fire on the football side as he sees fit, or if the big decisions are still sent up the the owners’ man in the shadows…

Norwich and Sunderland away next two fixtures, this can all very quickly unravel…

If you honestly think they’ll sack him after a poor run of results (like every other Championship club), fair enough. I just don’t. But as you say, he’s a young, foreign coach and there is a big old world out there for the roving manager for hire, so unlike the last fella, I doubt he’d hang around just happy to be in employment at a middling second division outfit.

My point is, we are a totally different club from that of 2010 to 2013 in which it was a revolving door of managers and executives. These days, if you play the game with the owners you can get your feet right under the table and you are given a contract and left to get on with it until it expires, the metrics that must people are judged by at football clubs - results, don’t seem to come into it. Waggott being another example.

I know, Appleton came after Berg.

Obviously that’s what the thread is for! But surely you have to be realistic? If you think he should go, fair enough, think it’s far too early to even be thinking about it personally, but it’s a game of opinions. My point is having any expectation that the club will actually do anything if things go awry is a waste of energy. They do not make decisions, they let things fester and fester. Take away Coyle, who was only sacked due to a short term appearance of that Paul Senior character (and even he went on far too long), when did they quickly sack a manager? Appleton nearly a decade ago.

Why wind yourself up and waste your energy with ‘get rid’ posts? We are at the top end of the league and this is a club that doesn’t sack contracted managers. They didn’t sack TM on horror run #6 (or was it 7, 8?), so they certainly won’t be even thinking about JDT’s position this, or probably, next season (unless we are marooned at the bottom). If you really do want him gone, you need to hope that this isn’t ’the project’ he thought he was and he goes off his own accord. Surely it should be clear to everybody by now that Venky BRFC doesn’t behave like any other Championship club…

Numbered with who? The never ending story with TM tells us that these days this lot don’t sack contracted managers.

Your problem Mash is that you don’t seem to realise that folk hurt in the aftermath of a horrendous defeat, so of course they will come across as irrational and say things they probably wouldn’t a day later, it’s part and parcel with football fans, it’s a passionate pastime. So maybe give the disapproving finger wagging a rest for once.

First few pages of this thread are a laugh ‘well I certainly won’t be watching’, ‘England games and that’s it’, ‘I’m boycotting’… most of the same posters have since given a minute by minute running commentary. 😁

The Terrace and Etsy do too…

All the club can do is put the under soil heating on and sort out other elements they can control, I.e entrances and walkways within the Ewood estate. If they have been doing, great, as there have been times when they haven’t, including Millwall last season. The rest of it is out of their control and as you say if the ref or other ‘stakeholders’ say no game then fair enough.

Nobody has agreed with you. Everybody else agrees that the retail operation at Ewood is crap and has been for years. Maybe I will contact them, they might then list a club shop staff list on the website or something…