Any particular reason? Because if ever there was a time for one...

I expect out of those fans that can generally ‘take it or leave it’ and just go out of habit and for a bit of socialising will be knocking it on the head in big numbers. But if whole groups that are as Rovers mad as I imagine your lot are, aren’t renewing too, then we are in big trouble.

Yeah probably, I’ve got lost with the regulations now. Are Sky not showing a weekly 3pm game now, even though still BCD?

Hmm, I can’t see it either. Fake news from some tinpot Twitter account, obviously...

Noticed on their forums that they reckon he misses January every year (David Dunn Christmas break style) through ‘injuries’, I imagine they are exaggerating if you went through the fixtures of previous seasons, but we’ll soon see...

‘Well he must have something about him if he keeps getting picked at this level’ ’I’ll trust the opinion of professionals over ? on here who’ve probably never kicked a ball’

Derby away next Saturday is on Sky, so at least that’s one week without any palava...

Every seasons there’s a ‘churn’. Folk not renewing, some returning, some new ST holders too. But there’s always been the core, ‘the 8,000’ that I’ve mentioned before, that John Williams was told will always be there... I’m afraid this summer will prove they won’t ‘always’ renew, that floor will be broken. As arbito alluded to, this could be a disaster of 1960 proportions, losing for good, long standing fans that I would never have believed.

Get him on a real contract ASAP...

That an Arctic Monkey tune?

‘How the mighty have fallen’ You support feckin Middlesbrough!

It will empty the Riverside even more... establishing the groundwork for the next closure?

We’d have to sell around last season’s total to sell more than Bolton. You honestly see that happening?

‘Reasonable’ in normal times, perhaps. Down right stupid in times like these. Folk are very rational when it comes down to getting them to part with their hard earned cash. They will see that they won’t be in the ground for a big percentage of games, so losing value straight away, that it makes no sense buying a ticket for themselves, their missus, their kids, whoever else in their household when just one will do for ifollow. That £4/500 ticket x 4 becomes x1 or x0 when they see what’s happening out there, and the income dramatically reduces accordingly.

They were, that was before they rose £100 since 2018. Now we are standard Championship pricing. Which is fair enough. But banging them up 15% for a product that will not involve 23 Championship games at Ewood Park (Or even close), that makes no allowances for multi STs in the one household, means we will see in all likelihood our lowest sales probably since the mid 1980s when most clubs had one man and a dog watching.

All well and good glen, but the consumer is always right and they’ll be voting with their feet. 15% is crazy in the circumstances It will take some doing to try and recover from a season ticket base of about 3/4,000. It took 30 years and Jack Walker fo recover from 1960...

Prices getting a kicking from the usually Uber positive Facebook and Twitter responders. ‘Just get behind the club’ doesn’t seem to last long as a mantra when it comes to hard cash being parted with...

So the JW Upper is available, good to see the club hasn’t completely lost its senses. 15% price increase is some jump considering we won’t get close to being in the ground for all games. (30% increase on what we were paying in 2017/2018, ‘cheap’ ‘lowest in the league’ they certainly ain’t these days)

Some legacy - Darwen End closed Jack Walker Upper closed Radio Rovers closed Blues Bar closed Club shop still closed later than any of our competitors Price rises across the board Season ticket sales down Match day Surcharge ‘Cat A+’ and £45 tickets in an area like ours ‘Timeline’ mural painted over Pitch a mess in August Ewood Park in disrepair (Probably more) I hope there’s something resembling a club still left when he does feck off...

So those fans without the internet/smart phones, which will be a fair few of our older supporters (and they make up a large part of our ST base), have been told ‘you’ve lost four games, no refunds, you should have used ifollow, oh and by the way we are turfing you out of the Jack Walker too’ Whatever the small print, those fans have had a raw deal, and I would wager many won’t be back...

Just a reminder to @only2garners, please could the JW issue be raised tonight?

Very simplistic to say ‘they cost/their wage bill is x times more than us so we did well even competing’ (I thought it was a decent performance, by the way). Our wage bill was enormous in 2012, we nearly went down again. Sunderland did just that since, Stoke clung on etc etc. Those wage bills, egos are often the reason these clubs struggle, the seeming advantage of that big wage bill negated by off field/mental issues. A habit of losing, compounded by demotivated, want away stars, rapid turnover of players and managers etc. There’s a reason so few relegated sides bounce straight back into the automatic places.

Who’s he had to sell?

‘Odd’ is the right word. I wouldn’t particularly want or expect my manager to be bouncing around like a performing seal on the touch line, seems a bit for show with some. Also, there needs to be a degree of ownership from the players - I.e ‘those are my instructions, use your initiative and game management too’ etc. But TM looks to have gone the other way post lockdown. Literally spending whole halves or matches in the dugout sitting in silence, at Luton he spent most of the match sat in the stand on his own.

I personally thought selling him was a big mistake (especially at that price), compounded when I saw a loanee coming in - popadom hands at that. However, I was partially sated by the fact we’d, of course, have bolted on a substantial sell on fee with the sale. If it is as derisory as being made out, then Waggott is an even bigger fool than I already thought he was.