Reminds me of that storyline of The Sopranos when Davey ended up in hock to Tony and Richie over gambling debts. They stripped his business bare until he was bankrupt and iving in a tent.

Waggott is just another in a long line of carpet bagging BS merchants that have darkened our doors since Williams and Finn departed. I’ll renew as we need to keep some semblance of a match going core and that clown won’t even be here in a couple of years.

That’s a self selecting sample on a social media page. Unless a poll is weighted across all demographics it means nothing - a ‘voodoo poll’ as they say. However, I doubt there will be mass non renewals, as there’s no mass left. We have seen our fanbase reduce to a rump already this past decade. We had 20,000 ST holders in 2009, the 8k or so left are the hardcore, and Waggott knows it.

A Facebook poll says mass renewals? Nowt to worry about then with that kind of psephological insight. I take it we now have a Labour government as predicted by social media sentiment on December 12th?

‘Negative’ vs ‘positive’ when it comes to say, cheering the side on or booing. Totally get that. What makes no sense is when folk seem to equate that being critical on a message board of the club’s decision making as they feel said decisions will be to the detriment of the club somehow impacts the team and means you aren’t ‘supporting the club’.

Are the prices pro-rata considering we’ll not be in Ewood for 23 games? I’ll presume not. Of course we should sell more than a 4th division club, but if our tickets are pushing £400 in the Blackburn End and pushing £500 in the Jack Walker Upper (they were £450 last season), we won’t match Bolton’s numbers.

And as I said up the page, it isn’t the ‘negative’ ‘moaners’ on brfcs that will largely walk away, but the quiet ones that don’t spend their days obsessing over all things Rovers like us sad buggers or like those on the flip side blowing smoke up the club’s arse on Facebook and Twitter , it’ll be those that will be getting out the habit, see the pricing and just think ‘nah’. As a long term supporter mhead, indeed someone running the Rovers Trust no less, you seem surprisingly naive of how our fanbase behaves. You should know that’s exactly how it works with Rovers fans as we’ve seen it time and again. Money is kept in the pocket at renewal time, though some talk about ‘picking my games’ and not seen at Ewood again...

I’ll be buying one, but I can still think that the club are making a mistake and will lose a hefty percentage of ST holders - and saying so on an internet message board doesn’t make me any less of a ‘supporter’, indeed it is because I and others are such passionate supporters that we say it.

The club will get a false sense of security as the social media channels will be ablaze with ‘Get behind the club’ ‘I’ll be renewing 10 tickets as soon as they are on sale’ ‘do you want a club in 12 months? Look at Bury!’ But as always, a sizeable minority will do what they’ve always done in the past, be it 1960, the mid noughties when prices began to spiral or 2012... just quietly walk away.

So for those that couldn’t access ifollow last season - which is a fair few, considering the sizeable contingent of elderly supporters we have, they’ve just lost 4 games from last season, with absolutely no recognition in the pricing going forward for their loyalty and understanding when they missed out but didn’t request a refund And for all of us, Rovers must be one of the very few clubs that have offered either no refunds for last season or any loyalty discount for the coming season.

Apart from a brief spell at Coventry, TM has spent his managerial career largely at stable/normal/well run football clubs. Be interesting to know what he really thinks about the dysfunctional nature of the operation here. Does he relish the fact he’s given the freedom to work in an environment where there’s little pressure from his Chief Ex/owner/D of F, a situation they just not the norm in the madcap Championship, or does he feel frustrated that this club just won’t ever achieve what he wants for it? Surely he can’t be happy that we still pretty much have the same senior defenders from when he joined and ended up in League 1? Yet, he says all the right things about the owners and all the rest of it. There’s no doubt he’s rehabilitated his standing in the wider game, so we’ll see if TM really was the one keeping the show on the road when he finally departs...

Well yes, apart from a bit of tat and last season’s gear (if any left) there wouldn’t be much to sell. So I do understand that decision in isolation. However the shop is the conduit for the key items we can’t/won’t get on the market, yet all our rivals seem able to. The fact we are pretty much the only club in the country without kits or tickets to sell has to be a worry, not only for revenue, but for how this club has been seemingly content to go into suspended animation for so long - file with one statement to the fans since March (a re-written EFL one, at that) and the fact we have heard precisely nothing from our well remunerated Chief Exec since this whole thing started, a pitch looking a mess in August and a shit tip of a ground. Pandemic or not, furlough or not, it just isn’t good enough in September when the rest of football and the economy is getting (or at least attempting to) back on its feet.

Any reason we can think of why all the other local clubs (mostly with similar sized fanbases or smaller) have come to the conclusion that it is a sound business decision to have their shops open, kits on sale, STs available whilst we don’t?

You’d think they would suspend any rule on walk-on ticket allocations this season, as with STs only you’d then know exactly what your maximum person flow will be for entering/exiting, concourses, toilets etc. But this is the EFL we are talking about...

No plans to open the club shop? Looking locally Bolton and Blackpool re-opened theirs last month, PNE and Accy back in July. It really is hibernation mode down there.

Or it’ll be the ⬜️? still...

He’ll be doing it remotely now... bloody COVID

Very loose interpretation of an ‘Under 23’ team

Bolton have pretty much sold their total from last season already. Obviously out of their collective minds over there...

£350 at sides, £275 behind the goal. So not much of/if any reduction considering it won’t be 23 games that it will cover.

So every chance fourth division Bolton will sell more STs than a team that’s just finished in the top half of the Championship. Of course, it doesn’t have to be the case, and I await the club’s offering - but it will be a serious worry for me and the future for this football club (though I presume nobody will be particularly arsed at Ewood) if that does transpire.

As a ‘wide forward’, I’d agree, SG is dreadful out there. But I won’t be too harsh on Gallagher until he gets a run as a centre forward

If your creed in life is to just ‘see the positives’, an ‘it’ll be reight’ approach then good luck to you. However, others like to use past experiences and evidence to form their views, indeed that is how individuals, teams, businesses improve. Just ‘expecting things to turn out fine in the end’ due to cod philosophical views like the ‘laws of attraction‘ etc isn’t the way multi million pound outfits get better results . Ergo painting those that turn a critical eye on an internet message board with about 40 regular posters as ‘damaging to Blackburn Rovers’ and we’d see better results on the pitch if this obscure place we waste our time on was merely ‘Rovers, ra ra ra’, is not only nonsensical, as ALL posters on here are desperate for us to do well, but also ruins debate.

Exactly! As long as you get behind the team at Ewood, folk can say what they like on here. Doesn’t impact the team one iota. Though it does amuse me that those that love to talk about ‘positivity’ and ‘optimism’ in life gets their kicks by wind ups and petty point scoring on an anonymous message board, bit of a negative and damaging approach, no? ?‍♂️

How does it ‘damage’ Rovers if someone is negative on a message board?