The Forest game wasn’t some kind of bumper gate, 12,400 home fans, a few hundred above other Saturday games so far this season.

I don’t think we can underestimate the job he’s done here. The club was a rudderless mess for years and for the first time since these owners emerged we seem to have a plan. Now you could say that Mowbray is just the team manager and it was those auditors that have made the penny drop, but we know how these owners seem to value personal relationships and TM has used this to his advantage, as an example he’s off to India again next month. We kept our best talent on relegation and he was allowed to add to it. He was then given the green light to spend decent money this summer. Results wise, been generally excellent and I’ve not seen a spirit and work ethic within the squad as good as this since Hughes’ ‘Bully Boys’. On a personal level I could listen to him all day, a real football man, who’s love of the game just bursts out of him, such a welcome change after some of the frauds and bullshit merchants we’ve had to put up with. Seeing top of the table Sheff Utd in the flesh last week, a club a year ahead of us in development shows that we do have a way to go, but I trust Mowbray to be the man to get us close, and I say this as someone who didn’t believe we’d ever see the promised land again. Sign him up!

Of course crowds improve with success on the pitch, there just won’t be 20,000+ Home fans turning up regularly in this league. They never have.

Every non 3pm. Like Bristol City away was.

As was Sheff Utd, £5. Other 20,000+ crowds had a big away following. Phil, get real. We were a completely different club in 2001, it’s like comparing apples and pears with that era, just a half dozen years after we were Champions of England and even then we still didn’t have 20,000 home fans turning up each week for a promotion season. So after the Venky decimating of our support we won’t be getting close to it with the fan base we have left. I would love nothing more then to see those numbers, but it just isn’t going to happen in this league. We don’t have the season ticket holders at present or enough fans who will pay the ridiculous match day prices. Now if Waggott can get a grip and build up season ticket numbers over time then we might get closer at some point, but it wouldn’t be this season even if we were up there.

And we’ve lost 10,000 season ticket holders since, many of whom will never be seen again, especially at this level, which is an enormous amount for a club with our fan base. Even in the 2001 promotion season when we still had a large chunk of the 90s support to draw from, we only usually topped 20,000 home fans with cheap ticket offers. It is just not realistic with 9 and a half thousand season ticket holders and ticket prices regularly edging towards £30 that we will pull in those kind of crowds. It will be a slow build to get anywhere close. Over to you Steve.

Is there any other club in this country that voluntarily changes their own kick off times, not to aid their own players or supporters in any way, but wholly to suit the away support?

The followings Sunderland are taking this season I’d say you have no chance for the away end. They had 5,000 at Coventry for a midday kick off on Sky. All a novelty for them.

This is an obscure message board, people are free to voice their opinions on the lad, that he’s shite, waste of money, whatever, it’s no going to affect his game one iota. What I do hope though is that whatever people’s views he gets encouragement at the ground, as price tag or not he’s a young kid learning his trade that needs support.

Mowbray’s talking about crowds in the LT again, hoping for regular 20,000 gates. Sounds great, though cloud cuckoo land in this league, though perhaps ask Waggott if he has any plans to get us anywhere close...

I can imagine Bristol City won’t be voluntary moving so many of their Saturday 3pm games next season...

The fact we get only get around 10,000 through the gate is another reason to worry about it...

I guess we will (we will, by the way)

They will it add it last minute, they did the same for the Bristol Ciy/Sheff Wed game yesterday.

As it’s not 3pm, Sky can show it on the red button.

That would be pushing 17,000 home fans JH, Oxford aside I’m not sure we’ve had that for any league game post PL relegation in 2012.

Unfortunately we just didn’t sell enough season tickets to be expecting those kinds of figures, simple as that Darrenrover. Who knows a decent run till December and we many sell a fair few half STs...

Cat A with Sky red button will attract similar home numbers to the Villa game you’d think. So a crowd of under 20,000.

They just have a rabid hatred of the guy that precludes any rational views of him. Hes seen as a symbol of their decline, double relegation and all that. I suppose I’d be the same if I saw Bradley Orr on the pitch again and it’s why I shout at the TV to this day when I hear or see Danny Murphy.

Second half he was moved to left wing back as we went 3-5-2, with Reed on the right and Willliams, Mulgrew and Lenihan as the three centre backs.

No biased views here... https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/rodwell.1447873/

They did do, Rovers very important to them these days, possibly because the other two have gone in totally different directions from them. Their forums are full of ‘inbreds’, ‘Dingles’, ‘HATE those Bastards’ etc.

There’s a difference between a metropolitan/ ceremonial county - Greater Manchester being one and the historical counties like the Lancashire county Palatine that covers the land from the Furness to the River Mersey that still exist. Just surprises me that so many Lancastrians want to do down and reduce their historical county with a thousand years of civic pride and history. Perhaps just ignorance. I’m hopeful that one day its boundaries will be properly restored - like the East Riding of Yorkshire was when ‘Humberside’ was abolished. www.forl.co.uk

It’s this place, I can assure you most fans realise it’s all about winning matches.

Shame you’ve no pride in our ancient county Scotland1 (assuming you have some link to Lancashire) going back nearly a 1,000 years until some bureaucrat in the 1970s in London decided to alter the boundaries. I’ve no particular interest in Bolton, but considering it’s next to Darwen, it is by definition, a local derby, end of.