Another one I looked at over the last six games had us in tenth position with eight points. Forest top with 14 and interestingly Stoke second with 13.

Good win tonight, I think primarily it's about results now, the mindset has to be that we are targeting wins from the last seventeen games. If hypothetically we won sixteen of them and drew one we'd probably secure automatic promotion. If more realistically we could make a half decent stab at it and win ten or eleven and avoid defeat in most of the rest that should get us in the play offs as the mark required over the last four seasons has been 74, 80, 75 and 74. That's the heart talking. Do I actually think we'll do it? Maybe under a manager who played our best options in their natural positions, but I think we need absolutely everything running in our favour and will be held back by Mowbray and not least by: 1) His weird obsession with playing Gallagher out of position on the right wing as opposed to playing an actual winger like Chapman there. 2) His weird obsession with getting Bennett on the pitch even if he doesn't start 3) Our inability to put in a performance for 90 minutes. Not sure if this is physical or mental as I always think we look extremely unfit in comparison to most other sides but then again we rarely played for more than one half at a time in League one either. Would love to be proved wrong though.

I think you clearly have to be on the wind up with that comment. Prior to tonight we hadn't won for nearly 2 months at home and prior to the Wednesday game it was no wins in seven. To expect a huge hike in the attendance on the back of one result on a freezing mid week night towards the end of January when most people are absolutely brassic is naive at best and foolhardy at worst. If we ever displayed any consistency and actually ever got into the play off positions and looked as though we could stay there then I'd agree it would be disappointing if there wasn't a decent upturn in attendances.

It's easier to say who IS good enough not who isn't if we're ever to have any hopes of challenging g for promotion. Lenihan, Nyambe, Travis, Dack, possibly Holtby, possibly Chapman. Bare minimum, keeper CB LB and two strikers short. Probably need a creative midfielder and another wide man as well. At least seven quality acquisitions and /or youngsters stepping up and making the grade would be needed to turn us into a force imo.

No I'm not, you tried to be clever and I've blown your argument out of the water with actual stats so you're now coming back at me with a meaningless retort. Anyhow.........back to the transfer window!

Probably, but if we were only three points off relegation we'd be ten points, not three, behind 15th so the "evidence" would be a lot more compelling! To further illustrate my point, if we were ten points clear of 15th, currently, that would place us in 4th or 5th and even I would have to concede that was clear evidence of improvement.

Well, at the end of the season it's probably fair to use the table as some sort of guide as to whether we're improving or not. For me anything worse than finishing a point or two outside the play offs has to be construed as failure. I don't see that a marginal improvement on an unsatisfactory 15th position to say 13th or 14th represents satisfactory progress. The final finishing position remains to be seen. The point I was objecting to was citing something as slender and potentially fleeting as a three point gap as evidence of genuine improvement.

If they played for PNE and PNE had occupied the same League positions as we have week on week this season I don't think our fans or anyone else's for that matter would be in the least bit worried about why we or they hadn't signed them.

I am paying attention to everything that is happening. I'm not taking a temporary screenshot of our League position on a given day and citing it as evidence of major improvement because we're one win ahead of the position we finished in last season!

Tosin has been ok and Downing has been very good considering his age and how little was expected of him. But neither have been the sort of stellar successes that will push us to promotion. Then you have to remember that Tosin will not be our player next season and Downing probably only has this season and next in him so decent signings but by no means exceptional.

What evidence is that? We finished 15th last season and are only one win or 3 points ahead of that mark this far. If we were to lose the next three and we dropped to 16th would that be conclusive proof we were heading in the wrong direction?

Does the fact that window after window flies by and we still need reinforcement in the same positions we always did not tell you something? I would take exactly the opposite stance to you, I dont think the criticism of Mowbray has been anywhere near strong enough to date, he's tended to get pretty much a free ride due to the fact he brought us back up to the division from which he failed to prevent us being relegated at the first time of asking and his nice guy persona. I think that has changed slightly with the injury to Dack which has put his other dealings in perspective and brought home the potential ramifications of money being squandered and FFP sanctions looming on the horizon

I agree with you. I think under another manager there might just be a player in Brereton. Gallagher on the other hand I don't think will ever be any good. He's 24 and is not likely to get any better, in fact he seems to be on the decline from the fairly ordinary standard he set last time he was here.

That is a temporary situation based on our current League position following a rare win and one which might have completely changed in two or three games time. To look at the League position in isolation and not the overall situation imo iis head burying in the sand of the highest order. I personally dont think there is a cat in hell's chance that we'll make the play offs now or iindeed n any other season under this manager and I think it is highly likely we'll finish a lot further away from them this season than we are now. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating I suppose.

With respect what you say there makes no sense and completely contradicts the overall point you're trying to make. Yes he has (rightly imo) been criticised for being too loyal to the players who were here when he arrived and that is one of the main reasons we now need in the eyes of many to bring in so many players. It's all part of the same thing. Instead of gradual improvement to the team by attempting to bring in two or three experienced first teamers every window he seems to have taken the view that the priority was not upsetting the existing players and any recruitment has tended to centre around fringe players, loans, or "ones for the future" who can be put to one side and forgotten about. Leaving us, imo, in a colossal mess going forward with FFP sanctions also looming.

Bennett comes across as a complete arse to me. Has never really performed since he came to the Club, and has been particularly dire more recently but seems to think a fist pump post match and a bit of tub thumping on social media cuts it. Then of course he's the first to complain if anyone takes issue with him about his performances on said platforms. I'd rather see a few decent performances on the pitch from him myself.

I can see the Club's thinking on this. Game originally would have been on a Saturday, therefore not on red button. However I think overall the move comes across as petty and vindictive and merely punishing our fans who live in other parts of the Country. Can't see that the move will have any particular impact on the actual attendance on the night but we'll soon find out I suppose.

Agree. Johnson has been another massively disappointing signing for me.

Not sure I entirely agree with that we've had no money in the last two January windows because TM has completely wasted the majority of the budgets in the two previous summer windows and the areas that originally needed strengthening still need it. I don't actually think the budgets he's had to work with have been bad. Other than the two obvious flops he's wasted transfer fees, wages and loan fees at various points on the likes of Whittingham, Palmer, Davenport, and Chapman who have barely ever played if at all. We're not Manchester City and spending 7m or 5m on a player isn't an insignificant amount to be sniffed at. Then there's the use of the funds on the cheaper players as well and if all of the budget had been used a lot more judiciously, things might look very different.

As with Chaddy above, just because you don't agree with any of the above assertions doesn't necessarily make them wrong. Let alone "inflammatory behaviour". I'd be more inclined towards the view that they went without saying and continually disagreeing with them was merely attempting to get a rise out of people.

The fact you keep repeating yourself to him doesn't mean you're right! ?

Way too late for this window, all this should have been sorted out in November or December. Even if we had no money to spend there's an obvious and pressing need to shift out our deadwood and the window could have been put to good use by doing this but no doubt any half hearted attempts will come to nothing at this late stage. It really does make you wonder what Waggott does to justify his no doubt not inconsiderable salary when we cant even get our ducks in a row in time for the transfer windows. I'd say every one has been a disaster since he arrived. What else does he have to sort out all year?

So you'd rather have a striker that scores 5 goals a season than a 20 goal a year man? Come off it Chaddy. You're only saying that because we haven't got a reasonably prolific scorer other than Dack and you're sticking up for the bloke Mowbray actually signed. If Mowbray unearthed such a player on the cheap you'd be the first to pipe up about what a masterstroke it was and how it was just the thing we'd been missing. For what it's worth I agree with Rovers fan 99 on Gallagher. I was dead against his return in the first place and what I've seen since hasn't altered my opinion. I cant see anything in him at all let alone at £5m.

That's convenient. Just after the window ends.

How can it possibly be irrelevant? That's a bit like saying, "Well it doesn't matter that Owen Coyle/Paul Ince has landed us in a relegation battle, it's done now so we might as well stick with them." Plus, how can Mowbray be trusted going forward when his transfer dealings have been so dire? If anything given he's stuffed us up for FFP purposes it's now even more crucial that the next man is an astute operator in the transfer market and makes every penny count.