Are the works you mentioned that have happened the same renovation planned a year ago? They may be but based on nothing from the club on the website I naturally presume not.

If the pitch had undergone the full renovation that was initially intended prior to the owners unwillingness to spend money, it wouldnt require someone to email the club to find out about it!

Rothwell pulled out ill very late and we had very few alternatives but its beside the point to just pin everything on Mowbray. I was discussing the quality of the player and whether he is a good central midfielder.

The point has nothing to do with the quality of the current crop of prospects. I am showing that history dictates that more than half of each batch of kids falls by the wayside, if you can get a couple of really good prospects then its considered a success. To expect loads at once to come through and all be a success is incredibly naive in general, my point has nothing to do with the specific quality and potential of the current group. I love the argument about thinking that I will agree automatically if Tomasson decides to include Brown in the squad this season. I dont know if he is good enough and prefer not to take the risk at the expense of a signing, he has only played once. (and was crap IMO) But it is you that doesnt have the ability to critique and tends to echo whatever the club is doing at any one time!

You can have some semblence of a longer term plan in terms of selling players for big money, always immediately replacing for cheaper and continuing that cycle. Sadly that is impossible under our terrible owners because of their regular habit of totally turning off the taps, which stops such a process in its tracks.

Is he ok in the middle of the park? A bit of recency bias having travelled so far for him to let everyone down with utter stupidity against Peterborough but I dont recall him ever really having a good game in the middle.

Not that it makes any difference but looks like Edun has taken number 7 and Ayala has moved from 5 to 4. Leaves 2, 5, 6 and 8 free in the first 11.

The thing is, this has been said so many times, lets promote x y and z assuming that they are all capable. What tends to happen is a few do breakthrough most likely not at the same time and many of the others disappear. A couple of years ago, it was Buckley, Rankin-Costello, Butterworth, Carter, Magloire and Thompson. A few years before, it was Nyambe, Lenihan, Green and Rittenberg amongst others, many of which I don't remember the names of. Relying on so many breaking through successfully together is beyond foolish, history tells you that. It would be a big success if 2 or 3 do. Burnley are definitely not in a position where they need double what we need either, not unless you cannot see past bias. They also have made one decent looking addition and are close to a number of others. Any further ones who go will generate income.

This was the article prior to the reconstruction at the final stages of planning: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19124191.rovers-ceo-outlines-2m-ewood-park-pitch-renovations-plans/ This was from the fans forum in May 2021: "TS stated that at the last meeting the club were in the process of tendering for a complete reconstruction of the pitch at Ewood Park. SW added that a preferred supplier had been selected with a budget of close to £2m. Unfortunately, the economic situation in India and the amount of ongoing support the owners had been making through the pandemic meant that they were unwilling to approve the expenditure for a full refurbishment." I may be mistaken and maybe that has happened, the total renovation, but I don't think so? If so then I hold my hands up but I suspect it would have been promoted on the official site and in the LT.

I think we both have huge gaps, we have lost our captain, our player of the season, our main right back, a key central midfielder and a regular wide man so 5 key regular starters. We are also practically certain to lose our only consistent goalscorer and also have lost a number of squad players. I suppose you have lost 2 key CB's, your goalkeeper and are almost certain to lose your main goal threat as well as a few squad fillers but I guess the thing is there is a chance that you lose 1 or 2 more. Still, we got managers on the same day but you seem to be doing business very quickly. I guess it is all about quality and you have a big advantage with a lot more money, hopefully we can get some deals done in the next week or 2.

What happened to the total revamp after 30 years? Ah yes, the money wasn't provided, as much as you dress up what has happened, that is what didn't happen.

Rovers 0-7 Fulham Rovers 5-1 Cardiff Rovers 4-0 Birmingham Rovers 4-0 Peterborough Reading 0-7 Fulham Fulham 7-0 Luton Not sure about that! Burnley seem to be ahead of us unfortunately in putting together a new team.

Waggott is clearly an incompetent idiot in defence mode but the most worrying thing is that our owners ie a real bunch of idiots who have never attempted or seemed to care about the local demographics are pushing for rises in prices.

If you make the right additions you will likely find that there very much are teams that are succeptible to a battering. We beat Birmingham, Peterborough and Cardiff by 4 goals each at home with all 3 rolling over somewhat.

Thanks @JoeH The comment about experience at Championship level or above is interesting. We do need experience so that is encouraging.

The question is whether we have the money to compete with a team with a likely bigger budget. If they offer more money he would surely pick that over who the manager is.

Of course it was there.

I have never said that he isn't up to it, just that we can't assume that he is.

I am not getting into the debate about how many kids we can rely on etc but there is a lot of hypocrisy in you pulling me up for questioning loan spells in which our young strikers barely scored in massively inferior leagues considering the plethora of players you have suggested based on their stats or on the back of cleverly edited youtube videos!

Relying on our academy players to fill so many gaps would be suicidal. You look at many of the loans signed here and elsewhere over the last few years and they are a very valid way of massively improving the quality of the side and making it competitive. You mention Burns, he scored 2 in 15 at Scunthorpe last season.

They haven't been revamped as was initially expected and claimed to be necessary though, because they didn't want to fund it. So hard to credit them for standard maintenance.

I don't, but I equally don't assume absolutely everything I read is 100% factual.

No way was Mowbray first choice for West Brom and subsequently turned it down.

Is that second one strictly true? The owners ended up not bothering to do what was seen as a necessary total revamp of the pitch. Point 1 surely shouldn't take 18 months to happen until the expiry of his contract either.

Lots of claims of ITK info this morning, not much of it believable!