Plenty of people defend Venkys and deflect towards Mowbray and Waggott, that I find odd and confusing. I see Mowbray as on the face of it a genuine bloke but one who has been underperforming for 18 months after doing a pretty good job prior. Waggott's value since his appointment is something I am not convinced by, but Venkys are the common denominator in 11 years of woe. To defend Venkys by slandering the fans is utterly disgusting yet sadly common. Supporting a football club is not a "job" at all, not to everyone, nor an obligation that precedes everything, money, family etc. The thing that anyone even tempted to suggest as such needs to take a step back and think, who am I even slagging off? Every club has a core support that, finance and personal life permitting, will come regardless, and they still do here. Some, of which a percentage is unclear can't come anymore. Perhaps out of principle of funding owners who wont listen, the protests (of which I attended a number of) didn't work, it takes a hell of a personal sacrifice to give up something you care so much about because of how strongly you feel. Are they not supporters, do they deserve resentment above what the owners deserve? No chance. Or equally people who have grown so disenchanted at having hope ripped away from us. And some simply might come for a promotion party on the cheap or a big game, but ultimately either lack the money to come every week, the interest in football or in Rovers, the freedom within their personal time, the time off work to justify the expense, whatever it is, why do those people deserve resentment and looking down upon? Why does it have to be a case of either you are in 100% or you are out and don't deserve the club? Obviously, the fact that the primary source of todays anti-supporter spiel boycotted himself for a year because he had a "bad feeling" about the manager sums it up. Also, this continuous crap about the owners investing 20m a year or propping up the club, bollocks. The losses are as high as they are because of them, the investment is not out of the goodness of their heart, nor would we automatically become Bury if they suddenly decided against it. Take an active interest, employ more competent people, think longer term (including on contracts to valuable assets) and have a plan, be more proactive, it doesn't need to be so high.

If the money spent has caused us to go into FFP difficulties, of which there is no suggestion anyway, that is not on the manager. If the budget allocated to the manager (given by the owners) has not been utilised well enough to progress on the pitch, then that is on the manager.

"could it not be a case of the owners stepping in to thwart Mowbray and Waggott's grubby little scheme." You implied that Venkys are taking drastic steps to avoid being fleeced by potential con men who they still continue to employee regardless.

It is a number of assumptions culminating in a conspiracy whereby Venkys become the innocent party and Mowbray and Waggott are essentially con men.

This idea that Waggott and Mowbray are trying to sell the training ground for personal gain without the owners knowledge is beyond the point of conspiracy. The idea then that the owners have done this to protect themselves from it potentially happening again by these 2 evil con men, yet don't distrust them enough in spite of that to sack them, is laughable. Would the sale of the training ground qualify as an FFP saving out of interest?

Exactly. A goalkeeper with minimal long term experience who was 22 is much more likely surely to sign long term compared to a goalkeeper coming into his peak years. No negotiation, here is the length of the contract, take it or leave it? Either way, way off on a tangent.

You would suspect that Kaminski is not on a longer term deal because of his unwillingness to commit for such a long time as a goalkeeper in his peak, moving to a new country, not wanting to tie himself down for too long initially.

The Mick McCarthy story will have a big element of an old pals act to it, I always take any manager comments about other managers with a huge pinch of salt, plus Mowbray doesn't deserve sympathy in that he is luck to still be in a job. But it would be of absolutely no surprise to find that the club is being run terribly still, and I am amazed that so many are keen to deflect blame away from the owners. They are and always have been the underlying reason for continuous negligence and incompetence ever since they stepped foot into this club. I think a few are trying to fool themselves into thinking that once we change the manager whenever that is, that things will change for the better and that the inefficiencies will cease to exist. I would be shocked if that was the case, Mowbray is just a symptom of that. Micro analysing the signing of a young sub keeper with Championship experience on a long deal, it is fair in that a manager deserves evaluating on all signings and Pears looks a dud, but in the grand scheme of things, he will be on low wages, it is not the reason that we are about to lose all of our key players on free transfers, Venkys are.

I have no interest in another long winded and time consuming debate about this, but the assertion that Mowbray leaves Nyambe out whenever possible is as fictional as it is 2/3 seasons in the past, and much of the rest of your post is massively speculative, this supporter generated FFP obsession aimed specifically at Mowbray when the budgets come from well above the managers head, culminating in a desperate slur that the manager is simply lying.

Absolute nonsense. So no I wont. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19525768.mowbrays-message-blackburn-rovers-fans-contract-renewals/ It is about money.

Although to be fair, if the owners allowed a competitive reinvestment of the transfer fee and huge wage savings of the summer, at least some of them could be signed longer term and be considered assets.

Yeah I also remember him saying that.

It isnt balanced to criticise the manager for loans that he gets wrong yet put the good ones down to being "really lucky."

It was out of context, he was saying that he isnt very good out of possession if played in a 2, but also said that he is trying really hard off the ball to improve that side of his game. He also said that its not a surprise to see Rothwell going on "brilliant long surging runs" because that on the ball he is a "sensation." If he didnt think that he was very good, he wouldnt play him in every game he can and he wouldnt repeatedly include him in the players he really wants the club to sign up.

To be fair, Mowbray has also regularly praise his talent throughout his time here. He said a few times that he has the individual talent to match anyone in the division with one specific comparison to Benrahma. Every week he mentions how good he is to watch taking players on. I very much doubt that Rothwell has picked up that article this morning, taken that quote which is out of context and got angry. No doubt they regularly speak in general, Mowbray has also regularly said that Rothwell needs to do more, score more and create more which is right. He is right that he needs to improve off the ball, he also mentioned that he has not really played in the position he has been as much and playing a third man in there actually is trying to help him with that weakness. To suggest that he has said that Rothwell isnt very good is beyond out of context. I totally understand that people are fed up with Mowbray still being here, I am too but I find this recent habit of people critically analysing every word of every press conference often out of context to be unfair.

Here is the part where Mowbray is talking about Rothwell. Plenty of praise and appreciation for his talent, him saying that he isnt very good shouldnt be taken out of context, it is about him learning about what to do off the ball which is not ideal if in a midfield 2 which I agree with.

Hopefully they will keep Solskjaer for many years to allow him to constantly underachieve to my amusement.

Take a step back, why is it considered normal that having finished 2nd last season above Chelsea and Liverpool, that both have surpassed United to the point where they are no longer competitive with them and aren't even part of the title race? Chelsea got a proper manager with a proven track record. He has had time to build a squad packed full of quality, he spent 80m on Maguire, was it 40m for Wan Bissaka, 60m on Fernandes, 40m on Van De Beek, and now 80m on Sancho and the huge signings of Ronaldo and Varane. He has been there for a few years so why he warrants loads more is a mystery when the team looks so poorly coached. The players they have, they should be expecting to challenge for the title. They weren't particularly successful although after winning trophies, Mourinho was certainly more successful than Solskjaer. But my point is that Carragher had it right, previous poor choices shouldn't remove the ambition from the club to seek out a top quality manager going forward.

I can't fathom how you could think that he should keep his job. The problems with the team are blatant symptoms of a poorly coached team, badly organised, not good off the ball, not working hard enough etc. Why would fighting for a last Champions League spot with Leicester be in anyway acceptable when they finished 2nd last season and as well as the big money deal for Sancho they signed Ronaldo and Varane this summer, 2 serial winners who are very much for the here and now rather than building for the future? They should be challenging for the title with the money Solskjaer has spent, with the players he has been allowed to bring in and the time he has had. Neville is having a bit of a shocker on Sky Sports, he has cornered himself with his stance of never suggesting that managers should be sacked and his loyalty to United and his old team mate Solskjaer is creating a bias. Carragher is spot on, just because they have appointed good managers in the past that haven't worked out, it shouldn't mean that they shouldn't strive to get a top class manager going forward. Chelsea, City and Liverpool have probably the 3 best managers around, why should United stick with someone who has a piss poor CV in comparison?

I hope not as it is hilarious to see them at the moment, but surely Solskjaer will be at the job centre tomorrow morning. Such a poorly organised and coached side.

Cant argue with that.

There is absolutely no suggestion that the reason that these players wont sign new deals is that Mowbray wont consent to pay rises to 10k. He has regularly said that he wants them to stay but that it is down to the owners because they want more than we are currently offering which is as much as we can within the strict budgets.

When a team is winning it is natural for the other team to be further forward trying to score. But I don't think we sat back that much or ever looked likely to concede, in fact if anyone was to score I would have said it was us.

Why specifically until that date? And from who, I doubt that anyone who wants Mowbray out will have changed their mind today. Had we lost, he would remain with us 3 points worse off.

Good win today, Mowbray wasn't going regardless of the result so people just need to enjoy it for what it is. He deserves credit too for his team selection and his game management, he got it right today just as he has got things wrong in recent weeks. Drab, lifeless first half but dominant in the second half. Dolan had a strange game, had he gone off after an hour then it would have been justified, he looked slow, off the pace and was making poor decisions. His goal was superb though and he repeatedly gave their defender nightmares when Mowbray moved him wide left which was a good move, although his cut backs were poor and he should have passed for Brereton at the end. Brereton was fairly quiet today, Gallagher was better and could have had 2 or 3. Poveda lost the ball once too many although played one or two good balls, notably a great cross which should have led to a third after a clever Brereton knock down. Rothwell was fairly quiet aside from some more genius for the first goal, so much more influential than Buckley who needs to do more and also needs to stop getting needless bookings. Travis was ok but not at his best. The 2 defensive injuries are major worries, Van Hecke certainly has a mistake in him so if Ayala is injured for a few weeks, hopefully Wharton can be involved next weekend.