Our position or perceived overachievement is totally irrelevant. No one is saying they could do a better job than Mowbray. Just critiquing one of his signings. On an internet messageboard. Not mutualy exclusive to enjoying the league campaign in general.

Couldnt agree more on McCarthy.

But surely the manager and his coaching staff, equipped with countless hours of coaching experience, know better than us mere mortals who were naively happy with the signing?

You dont seem to be able to fathom the points I am making: - I dont think we are far enough in our development to be able to spend the majority of our budget on a player who isnt even in the thinking in terms of naming a starting 11, half way through the season. - I dont think the player from what I have seen of him and what I have read up on him is raw to the extent where he cannot even contribute, not even play when Graham is unavailable, or is not a better bet as a striker compared to Dack. I would have him as our second choice central striker at the moment, whereby a degree of cautiousness can still be used. - I dont think the player is best suited to a wide role. The fact that the manager and his staff have more experience of coaching than me doesnt make me any less entitled to an opinion, it doesnt make Mowbrays opinion 100% water tight and to be taken as gospel, and it isnt a valid counter argument on a fans messageboard designed for fans to air their own opinions.

What does "they dont feel the time is right" even mean! I find it baffling that you think people will respond to the implication that we can sign a big money signing SOLELY for the future, not even considered for a start, and people will just shrug their shoulders and say fair enough. Signing a cherry when we are nowhere near making our cake. Hes not as raw or as unready as you claim, as he showed at Forest. If people were moaning that he wasnt scoring goal after goal then maybe patience would be a valid buzzword but they arent. They are wondering why he is not even considered to be a striker, even on the occasions when our only alternative is unfit, and we play Dack up there instead. If people were moaning that he hasnt started most or all of our games, again, call for patience all you want. But they arent, just why he hasnt started even one, even when Graham was unable to.

Whilst that is true, it doesnt justify why his points per game total, albeit in a very limited sample size, is considerably LOWER than Hursts feeble record with them same players.

That doesnt explain any of my points though. It doesnt explain why a 7 million pound striker is not considered even as a back up in a position he played well at Nottingham Forest at this level, even preferring to move midfielders up front. You mention not having the players but he has had 3 windows, spent plenty of money, and the likes of Rothwell, Armstrong, Brereton and Palmer have all failed to establish themselves in the team. None of those at the moment can be argued as unqualified successes. Nor does them "being whats available" wash as an excuse. I also understand a degree of pragmatism and conservatism but it is very much one extreme to another, expecting to change from playing the most long balls in the league to playing free flowing football.

P6 W0 D2 L4.

Liam Feeney, Adam Henley and Gordon Greer all know the players, manager and the area, shall we sign them too? it isnt the main factor otherwise our recruitment would be very limited. I would prioritise a centre back, at least one full back and at least one winger. Brereton would be considered solely to be a striker and the baby gloves would come off. I still am struggling to empathise with his treatment of Brereton. Both positionally and in terms of not being even considered to start. I know what he has said, but explaining why he thinks its a good idea doesnt mean that I will, or that it is. I dont agree, many others dont, and you dont! Anyway, just agree to disagree on Brereton.

Match points and fans tweets dont keep you in the league, nor does a manager losing 4 games on the bounce.

My main point was to refute the fact that Lambert is improving things at Ipswich. His points per game total is considerably less than the failing manager he has followed, including 4 successive losses. Mowbrays first 6 games here brought 4 draws (Burton, Cardiff, Norwich and Fulham) and 2 wins (Wigan, Derby) so an improvement was tangible. I don't dislike Lambert, hes a miserable sod but I've got no particular beef with him. His signings of Bennett and Graham were good, just as Mulgrew and Graham (permanent) were for Coyle. I feel like he has underwhelmed at too many clubs and blamed mitigating circumstances on each occasion to the point where his own record needs to be questioned. Hes obviously not as poor a manager as Coyle but similarly he is dining off a job he did quite a while ago.

But YOU disagree yourself with Mowbray and have said so many times. Whats the difference? So surely there is no point suggesting team selections, no point suggesting transfer targets, no point suggesting substitutions, because if they are different to what Mowbray does and says then its pointless wasting our time talking about it? Hope not, would like to think we can do better than Gallagher. By the same token, its not Mowbrays good work that we went 1 nil up in the first place? We've thrown away a fair few points from winning positions.

I'm glad that we arent going in that same "right direction" and similarly "improving at Rovers" then!

After getting stick for all that time, its the least they deserved, and now they are going to go down and no doubt McCarthy will be grinning from ear to ear.

You've forgot the point of an internet messageboard again chaddy, Even if Mowbray plays him (or doesnt) in a certain way, we dont have to agree with him. And in terms of potential discussion topics, a 7 million signing yet to start a league game will always be near the top of the potential discussions, so prepare to be bored for a long time! I would either have taken Graham off if he was tiring, which I dont know as I wasnt there, or not brought him on at all. That being said, it would make a mockery of our number 1 priority being another striker, because then when would he get any game time either? I dont rate Sam Gallagher very highly so am thankful that Nicko doesnt know what hes talking about. I would play Reed centrally but I acknowledged that he has been excellent and possibly the only unqualified success in terms of summer transfers. Mulgrews goals have been 3 penalties,a free kick and a direct corner. My main point was that Mowbrays attempts to bring in attacking players especially to fill the wide positions have yet to bear fruit. Stats back that up.

It appears they are playing better? Not sure where you are getting that from but theyve lost 4 in a row Because for some reason youve got a personal grudge against McCarthy. Still, if theyd prefer relegation to a manager that consistently overachieved but did bite back when they constantly berated him, thats their call

You might find the constant discussion about our 7m striker signing "boring" but you mention yourself about a lack of ruthlessness costing us points. The situation wont get a free pass on the basis that he may well be a big talent (without needing to talk to managers to confirm it), and hes not a total novice now. Hes played a couple of seasons for Forest predominantly as a centre forward, fans just want to see him play there more often. So we are limited to one striker because the second one we have hasnt started a league game, when he does come on he tends to be seen as a wide man, and people have 2 aspects to their grievances, could we afford to spend 7m ie most of our budget on a player not ever considered for a start when we have major weaknesses in our squad (notably in the position Brereton plays) and also whether we need to treat a player already with plenty of Championship experience as a striker as an total novice. I agree that we need goals from all over but that brings another thing into question, Mowbrays recruitment in the summer. I have said before I think the summer window was not particularly successful (bar the excellent Reed loan) and the fact that the players Mowbray signed to play the wide roles (even though none are wingers) in Rothwell, Palmer and Armstrong have 2 goals between them, added to none from Bennett and its a major concern that we arent getting goals from these areas. Venus must not get a say judging by us playing the most long balls in the league then ?

Slightly. Hurst picked up 9 points from 15 at an average of 0.6 points per game. Embarassingly low. Lamberts picked up 2 from 6 games at a average of 0.33 points per game, even worse! Thats true and totally agree on McCarthy. Wonder if their fans would admit yet that they were idiots for hounding him out?

Paul Lambert has managed to get 2 points from 6 games at Ipswich, losing his last 4. Bet they are regretting that appointment already.

Not good enough. To be 1 up against 10 men after just over 20 minutes and to just about take a draw isnt good enough.

Easy team selection, cant argue with it at all.

Im not sure its fair to ignore a 7 million elephant in the room! Hes had favourable budgets in both League 1 and in terms of net spend, the Championship. Has to be a factor in any judgement. If he had to name his best 11 now, I suspect that Raya, Nyambe, Lenihan, Mulgrew, Williams, Evans, Bennett and Graham would all be in it. That would leave only 3 of his own signings making the team. Dack is the first name on it. Reed has been a terrific temporary acquisition. The 3rd is one open to debate with no one really nailing it down, with even Conway (another inherited signing) seemingly as close to the team as any of Rothwell, Palmer and Armstrong at the moment. The likes of Bell, Downing, Smallwood and even Armstrong have big question marks in terms of competence at this level, albeit the latter 3 contributed plenty towards last season. Palmer, Rodwell, Rothwell and Brereton (as well as Armstrong again) all have big question marks in terms of identity and tangible contribution. A few come under the category of supporting roles in League 1, Antonsson, Payne, Samuel, 2 temporary and one injured but I would again doubt that any of them 3 would be good enough in this league. And there have been some total stinkers, Hart, Gladwin etc I would personally give the most recent transfer window the lowest mark. Although quite a few of his signings from last season have question marks at Championship level, I don't think you could argue against them contributing to various degrees last season, Smallwood and Armstrong played major roles, Downing was important with Lenihans injury and Antonsson chipped in with a few goals again in the first half of the season. He spent a lot of money in the summer, only Reed has nailed down a place, and there are question marks about many of the others and how fit for purpose they really are with the squad looking slightly imbalanced and shallow in a few areas. Compared to player recruitment and balance of squad, Mowbray comes up particularly favourably in terms of the job hes done getting the best from those he inherited. Raya, Nyambe and Lenihan have all developed under his management. Mulgrew has thrived as a leader as captain and been able to concentrate on his best position, centre back. Evans has gone from fall guy to unsung hero this season and Graham was written off by many but now he seems better than ever, and has been as good as any of our players this season. Of course, the main thing to judge on is results. And hes come up favourably on that too!

100%. Mowbray talked about different lists of different targets repeatedly in the summer. So surely no need to be reliant on signing these 2.

Totally avoids reinforcing our brittle defence, leaving the strong potential for the likes of Rodwell, Williams (CB) and Bennett to have to fill in again in defence, all of whom have proven themselves not to be up to it in makeshift positions. Centre back is a key area to bring someone in, priority 1, and both full back positions are at least considerations to bring someone in; Nyambe is a good prospect who is improving but a spell of poor form (like hes on in the last few games) is not uncommon and we need competition there, and both left backs arent really up it, especially Bell. Maupay and Adams totally unrealistic, as is Ings. Wickham forever injured, and on Gallagher, weve got our own 7 million striker and Gallagher isnt that good, surely play Brereton over him. Gallagher is too lightweight to hold the ball up as a lone striker so hed end up on the wing like he did under Mowbray at the end of his season here. We dont need more of that type. Chapman too injury prone and would be a sentimental purchase. Do need a winger though in an ideal world who can contribute to our goals and assists, ie not just an impact sub.

If it was that simple it would have been figured out long ago. The whole team played shite in both of those games, the latter of which we played with no striker. Hoofing the ball over his head, plus he will have off days.