No, nothing more on any of that. It was info that I had seen shared by two posters elsewhere. Simms won't be happening as he played for Everton the other night. Based on today's article above, it looks like there is something in the BBD to Everton rumour.

I heard Bellamy on a podcast a couple of months ago say it would be ideal if they were to go up next season, as he feels they would be in a stronger position by that stage. He felt they would need a lot of investment if they went up this season. He did then say that you can't pick and choose when to get promoted, and that if the chance of promotion was before them this season, they would be going all out for it. They are doing exactly that. That attitude needs to be drummed into our lot. If it's there, quit pissing about and bloody go for it.

Brenty, when you're enjoying the minibus parade in May, I hope you remember how it came about. A promotion bought for you by parachute payments. We all know you would be mid table this season without those.

I'm not a fan of loaning Premier League youngsters, unless they have the quality to truly help us, like Elliott and Tosin did. I think Ebiowei is close to that bracket. Cracking player, pacey, just what we could do with. I'd be disappointed to see him go to another Championship club, although I'm not sure how firm our interest is.

I agree that both of them have a propensity to bullshit and waffle, so we can't take everything they say as being spot on. However, I think they have at times put truths out there too which give an indication of what it's really like to work under these owners. Coyle says Hanley and Duffy were sold from under him and he was told he could only use one of their salaries to replace the two of them. I can fully believe that based on how these owners operate. I think that possibly explains the Brown and Greer signings too. Both desperate signings, both coming to the end of their careers. I don't think their combined wages would have been all that high, as they were aged 35/36 and signed on 1 year deals I think. It's possible that one of those Duffy/Hanley salaries covered both Brown and Greer. This is in no way a defence of Coyle, but the truth is he wasn't backed with the funds to make proper signings. Loans, frees and 200k on Derrick Williams is not backing. Just like the loans, frees and £500k on Markanday for Mowbray last January is not backing. It could be said in Coyle's case, that it's just as well that he didn't receive a good budget, when we consider Stokes and the possibility of him picking out some right plodders to blow the money on. The point being made though is that the owners are the real problem and have form for making things difficult for their managers.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. There are different theories going around about whether Mowbray had money to spend last January or not and whether he chose to use that budget or not. It's not in dispute that he chose not to sign a striker on loan as he openly said this, so I'm not referring to that. My personal belief is that there is an agenda at play from a few to shield the owners from flak, and that Mowbray didn't have a decent January transfer budget, as is being suggested by some. When I say agenda, I don't necessarily mean from posters on here. More the people who are putting certain info out there to begin with. Have a listen at 1:35 from this Owen Coyle podcast interview below and you'll see what I mean. For those who haven't heard this before or don't want to listen to Coyle, I'll summarise. Coyle claims he had 5 signings lined up for the January 2017 window but no money was forthcoming to sign them. Coyle then says a director of football at the club (Not sure who he is referring to) was putting it out there that he "doesn't know why Owen hasn't brought any players in, there's money available". A total lie, according to Coyle. He thinks the owners were happy for him to take the flak but suggests that as soon as he said "I don't know where the money is", they didn't like that. Now, does that sound familiar? I.e. The narrative that Mowbray had money to spend in January yet he chose not to bring players in? Where's that coming from exactly, would be my question. I'd argue that pinning the lack of signings on Mowbray shields the owners in some way and deflects the blame away from them. We've had a few on here claim that Mowbray had players lined up, I.e Dembele, Wallace etc and was waiting for funds which didn't arrive. Similar to what Coyle is claiming in the video above about his own experience. On the other hand, others claim that the January debacle was all on Mowbray who had money available but decided not to spend it. I seem to remember one of the tea and biscuit crew being adamant that Mowbray was to blame. Hmm. Nothing against him, more with who potentially could have told him that. I guess it depends on who you believe. Coyle and, allegedly, Mowbray, or posters with 'sources' telling them it was all on the manager. One of those sides paint the owners as the issue, the other pins it on the manager and makes the owners look good. They can't both be right. Having thought about it, I actually believe the managers in this instance. Why am I going on about this? Well, the transfer window is open and the early sounds are that JDT and Broughton have buttons to work with. I've laid into both at times, mainly Broughton for his, IMO, disappointing signings overall, but I'm going to hold back from that for now and see what happens during this and the summer window. It's quite easy for the new boys to be in the firing line, with the blame going in their direction, something which I think the hierarchy wouldn't mind at all. 12 years of the same old shit happening tells us what the real issue us.

I think Mowbray's comments upon leaving said it all about the state of play at the club. He talked about hoping the club didn't appoint a "bully who just wanted to win all the time". I found that to be ridiculous in and of itself and a pointer to his own lack of a winning mentality, as well as to the losing culture within the club. However, it was what he said after that which showed how he felt. He went on to say, "if you just want to win you need to spend some money OR you can develop the younger lads, educate them, help them to grow and develop as humans and footballers". The logical interpretation of that, for me, is you have two options at this club: a) Spend some money on some proper players if you want to win (promotion) or in the absence of such funds: b) Develop the youngsters and see what happens. Now, he didn't say the following, but he might as well have been saying "I didn't have the money to spend to go for promotion, therefore I had to play and develop the younger lads", as that's how it came across to me. The current project falls under option (b), IMO, where winning and promotion is of secondary importance. The blame for that though goes right to the top and owners who aren't the least bit bothered about the club being successful.

Atko, you seem to be doing what you are accusing others of doing, only from the other side of the fence. It seems as though you are glossing over any negatives, any concerns or worries about results, performances and JDT by simply citing "we are third" and implying that anybody who is complaining is being unreasonable or performing gymnastics. Correct me if I'm wrong, or speaking out of turn (that's not my intention), but I have noticed you say "I didn't see the game" a few times. Is it possible, therefore, that you haven't truly experienced a few of the horror shows for yourself to appreciate how bad those games were, thus making it easier to brush those aside as being 'not that bad' based on the overall league position? We've had a number of utterly abysmal, dire performances and results so far this season. That's not hyperbole, it's there for everybody to see. It's not just the Burnley and Preston defeats either, there have been a whole host of them. Same mistakes being repeated again and again, same abject defeats and the manager trotting out "young side" and "project" after almost all of them. That's where the concerns and complaints come from, as the signs are there of things going totally haywire at some point, unless something is done to address those issues. To bring those concerns up isn't baffling, despite being in third, because the cracks can't be covered up forever. Heck, JDT himself is preparing the fans for a potential slide down the table by saying "we aren't expected to go up". Does that not tell you something about what third place means to him right now? It appears to mean little to him, but to his defenders it means everything. Broughton also got his weasel like "Farke was given time" rhetoric out early doors and seems to have done a job on you, Chaddy and a few others by the sounds of it. The first thing he said when he arrived was that for Rovers to go up we would have to overachieve, and here you are saying we are overperforming, and seemingly using that to gloss over the 'negatives'. I noticed you say something about not putting "unnecessary pressure" on the team the other day when somebody called the Cardiff game a must win game. Bless the little lambs, we can't be putting any pressure on them, can we? That's exactly the sort of attitude that has reduced the club to what it is today. "No pressure lads", "It's alright lads, we go again next week". The holiday club mentality. Not blaming you for that, obviously, but that's the effect 12 years of Venky ownership has had. I just can't understand the brushing aside of the worrying aspects as if those who bring them up are just being doom merchants and will never be happy. They are valid concerns to bring up. The football has been shit in the main, to be honest. As for bringing up Jack Walker's appointments to defend JDT. Seriously? For me, he cannot be mentioned in the same breath as these tossers appointing somebody they've likely never heard of before. Let's not forget how far standards have fallen at the club under this lot. We are not a normal club and haven't been since before November 2010. I just hope this isn't another manager who the fans will protect at all costs. We had it with Mowbray, now JDT is heading that way too. The pair of them aren't bigger than the football club and you may recall that our very best managers didn't get this type of loyal treatment. I find THAT baffling, personally. That doesn't mean I want JDT to fail. Obviously, I want him to take us up and I'm pleased with how the table looks right now. It's just that I don't agree with the way that anybody who says anything against JDT is jumped upon and labelled with all sorts of nonsense. @Eddie Entitled? Give over. That's PR spin that the club would be delighted to see put out there as it puts the blame on the fans and shields the real culprits. The clueless at the top that have no ambition and will for the club to succeed.

Bit of info that I have seen shared by a couple of posters on another forum that is worth sharing here. One of the posters was a former member here and somebody who I always viewed as being a good source of information. As is usually the case, it appears to have come from 'sources' that each of them have, so feel free to take it as you wish. Anyway, the latest is: 1) Broughton has, apparently, interviewed three potential new signings in the UK during the week just gone. Two Scandinavians, one German. One of those three is an attacking midfielder. 2) A new midfielder was being shown around the club a few days ago and is set to sign. It's as good as done by the sounds of it. No idea who he is, which club he's from, his nationality etc. 3) Everton want BBD and will give us Ellis Simms in return. The rumour is they have bid £9m for BBD plus Simms but it has been turned down. I don't know if Simms is a permanent or a loan move in this equation. Again, the info has come from two posters on another site, so I don't know any more than what has been mentioned above. Everton have recalled Simms from his loan spell at Sunderland, so there might be something in the rumoured Rovers link. If the above info is correct, I am glad we are looking at the central midfield area. Our powderpuff midfield has been brushed aside on too many occasions already this season. It's literally men against boys most weeks and definitely needs bolstering with a couple of solid additions, in my view.

Salgado. Roberts. Nelsen. Samba. Dack. 12 years on. What has changed?

I was at that Everton game. March 1996. Amokachi and Kanchelskis caused us all kinds of problems. We couldn't live with the latter's pace that day. The red card for Flitcroft ruined the game for us though, to be honest.

@BigBar He publicly admitted convincing Stuart Harvey, part of the Rovers recruitment team, to leave Rovers and join Sunderland. This was whilst both Mowbray and Harvey were working for Rovers. He also likened Rovers to a little car and Sunderland to a big tanker. He will never get a good reception from me. His disrespectful comments over the years call for a 6-0 stuffing on Tuesday. "I liked working with him at Blackburn, we had an amazing time, but when the opportunity came around, I spoke to him and likened it to this huge big tanker is going to come flying past your little car. Sunderland can be anything, can't it? https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-exit-mowbray-sunderland-24993905

That is superb from Gallagher! Play him down the middle and give him a chance to do something. Playing out wide is ruining the lad's game. Great to see him fire today.

JDT: “I came from Malmo, a team that was used to winning, two league titles, playing Champions League, going through four qualifying rounds against champions of other countries, including Rangers, so I’ve been used to winning in that way. “When I chose Blackburn I knew there would be less winning, because this is a difficult task, but it’s a very interesting project and I can come in and help the club create something a little bit different. “We need to create something different to have a chance of going where we want to go and stay there. “We can’t do what the rest of the league is doing because the chance would be almost zero of getting where we want. “When you are building, and it’s a young side, you need a way of playing and over time you need to create value. JDT: “We’re building, we have a plan and we don’t panic because we know exactly what we want to do.” I don't agree with the project, but thanks for replying, Jon. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/23050757.no-panic-blackburn-rovers-says-jon-dahl-tomasson/

Whenever Rovers kick towards the Blackburn End in the first half, it's never a good day/evening for us.

Does anybody know what happened with the Steven Caulker deal in the end? I mean, did we back out of it, opt for better options? did he get a better offer from elsewhere? I can't remember how it ended, apart from it not happening, obviously. I don't know if an official source mentioned why it didn't happen. If I remember rightly, I think it was a Sierra Leone journalist/supporter who initially broke the news that we were in for him.

Any European striker that the big clubs in England are unsure about ends up being sent to a London based testing ground first, otherwise known as West Ham United. If he impresses at West Ham, one of those big clubs will take him off their hands. If not, he will be sold to a Spanish or French club and nobody will speak of him again.

I mentioned in the Wigan thread post match that JDT was being called the "Danish Owen Coyle" elsewhere online, and that I couldn't disagree with it. I followed it up by saying not even Coyle would have us playing this badly. We saw a 30 pass team move leading to Danny Graham's goal at Derby, for example. It was more to highlight how bad this passing game is at present, not to say Coyle was a good manager. I'm guessing that's what he is referring to.

I do think there is an element of stubbornness about JDT persisting with this slow tippy tappy game. However, I also think that the project itself is becoming a bit of a millstone around his neck. One of the key parts of this project is increasing player value and he has to find ways to do that. The manager himself has recently said focusing on ball retention will help to create squad value. If that is your focus or on your mind as a manager, performances and results are more than likely going to suffer. He's likely to stick with the tippy tappy football no matter what, not just due to it being his preferred style but also because they see that as the best way to "create value". The way I see it, Hedges and others being played out of position is a way to try and make those players versatile and is an attempt to increase their value in that way. The priorities are all wrong, IMO, but this goes back to the top and owners who don't want to fund a promotion push. I felt it from day one, after hearing Broughton speak, that this project was a cheapskate route taken by the owners and that promotion was just a wishful thought. Something for the fans to cling onto without there being serious intent from the top to make it happen. I have a bad feeling that they have already pencilled in Hirst as a £5m signing for next season. Playing him out wide, giving him penalties, it's all about creating value, in my view. The more goals he scores this season, the more they can justify spending money on him in the summer, IMO. The owners won't fund a proper promotion push, however, as seen with Gallagher and BBD, they will shell out on a 'project' signing from time to time. I fear they may have been talked into thinking that Hirst could be the next BBD. The way JDT and Broughton chased him all summer is worrying, but an indicator that they have chosen him as the "next one". I also agree with posters who feel Dack may be being forced out as they want his wages off the books. That is what it looks like, IMO. Szmodics is levels below Dack as a player. They have to justify the £1.8m that was blown on him somehow though. Sadly, it means we have to look on as a proven attacking threat sits games out and is pushed closer towards a possible reunion with Mowbray at Sunderland. This will backfire on the management. I think it already is beginning to as many of the lads are mates with Dack and don't look happy out there to me. Pathways, minutes and creating value. It's all bullshit. I want to know what scares the hierarchy about promotion and why they seem to be happy to put it off year after year. The rhetoric on the ground is "we are building". Building what, exactly? Five years of Mowbray's so called building left a demolition site at the end of it. This lot want three years now. Does it take 8 years to build a promotion winning team? Something doesn't seem right here.

Forest sack two of their staff who were heavily involved in their summer recruitment. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63225938 Don't meet the standard and you're out. Take note, Balaji. Any switched on, interested owner would be hauling Broughton into their office and asking him to explain the summer signings. Especially Szmodics and Hirst. It might be because of the shit we've had to endure for 12 years, but I've got to hand it to Vincent Tan, the Pozzo's at Watford and Marinakis at Forest. These guys, whether people like them or not, have ambition and give their respective fans something to be hopeful about.

No, it was Bafetimbi Gomis (former Swansea) who last held the record. He took it away from Newell in 2011 when playing for Lyon. Now Salah has it.

Why the mocking post then? You posted the same thing after the Cardiff defeat when posters were sharing valid concerns. How else does it come across except you taking the piss out of posters, at a time when there is understandable frustration?

What's laughable, Chaddy, is that you're so desperate for this Head Coach/DoF structure to be implemented at Rovers that you are willing to put up with and defend any old bullshit that the club comes out with. One interview was enough for me to know Broughton hasn't got it. Some are starting to see Broughton for what he is now. An Academy man out of his depth with no eye for a player. His recruitment has already cost us games and will likely cost us many more this season. We need to get rid of this fancy dan structure. Get Broughton out, Get JDT out and go again. This lot are wasting our time.

That's a big test failed again, in the same way as previous defeats against physical, dirty opponents. If it was once, or even twice, you could look past it. However, this is 5 or 6 dismal performances already where we have got beat in the same way so far this season. The manager isn't learning, the players aren't learning. Midfield missing in action, struggling to string three passes together. Travis has gone backwards rapidly, in my view. I always thought he was talked up too much, but he was never this bad. Could it be possible that Travis and a few others aren't happy about Dack not getting more game time? JDT isn't the answer. Somebody on another called him the 'Danish Owen Coyle'. He wasn't wrong. I don't think even Coyle would serve up crap as bad as this. There's still time to rectify your mistake, Balaji. Wilder is available. Get on the blower. Let's put an end to this shit project and call it an experiment gone wrong.

I hope that chump Broughton is happy wherever he is. His summer signings have had plenty of minutes tonight. Doesn't matter that they are shit like, just as long as they get minutes. There are a number of Academy Graduates on the pitch for him to crow about. Hedges has played another game at RB to show his versatility and increase his value. Who cares about the result? Think of the positives. Broughton and JDT are looking more and more like two poor appointments to me. The owners deserve this, we don't.