It's all about quality of personnel - pay peanuts and you get monkeys!!!

I think you are absolutely right and therein lies the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope that hasn't gone over your head!

Nailed it! Football is a simple game unless perhaps you are Mowbray or JDT.........................

Jansen - and your point is? Gestede - 9 goals more than Hirst then!!! Hirst at Rotherham - tying yourself up in knots here! Many, many strikers are best known as 'impact subs' - bring them on and they score goals, a great example being David Fairclough at Liverpool. Seems like Hirst can't score in the Championship whether it be starting a match or from the bench - just wtf is he about? Rovers' recruitment - well if Hirst has been the number one target all summer and he's the best they can come up with then I'd sack the feckin lot of them - think Jack would have! Beyonce - age is a number young man. Still gobsmacked you would choose a dinner date with Liz Truss over Beyonce!

BBD didn't look great at first but bloody hell, I think it's plain that at 24 Hirst is no great shakes and never, ever will be. I agree, it can take a few matches for a player to find his feet and blossom but even in their first game there is usually something which suggests there's a bit of talent there whether it be movement, positional sense, vision, passing / shooting / heading / tackling abilities, mobility/speed, aggression etc but feckin hell, IMO, Hirst has shown absolutely zilch so far. I've seen enough football over 60 years to recognise the good, the bad and the ugly and I think Hirst is as ugly as it gets - I've seen enough of him and I think he's hopeless. Jansen and Davies had both shown their abilities in the PL before joining Rovers. Gestede had shown he could do it in the Championship. Formica / Rochina - IMO, joke and scandalous signings. Hirst - 40 Championship appearances and no goals. At 24 years of age, how much confirmation do you need that he will not cut it at Rovers. I will be delighted if he proves me wrong, sets the Championship alight and fires the goals to take Rovers to the PL. However, I think there's a better chance of me taking Beyonce to dinner this week (best of luck in your desire to take Liz Truss to dinner by the way!).

Chaddy, think comments by @RoversTilliDieare tongue in cheek! However, I think it's quite clear Hirst has a very small fan club and you may well be the founding and only member! In some 60 years of being a Rovers' fan, Hirst is right up there with the worse centre forwards I've seen in blue and white. Feckin he'll even Big John O'Mara (similar build and style) got goals for us and I think he was widely regarded as a donkey by Rovers' fans.

Rotherham on Saturday wont be easy but feckin hell, we should be on the front foot, in their faces and go on to win the game. Would go with 4 at the back and there would be no places for Ayala, Travis (think he's vastly overrated)and Hirst (think he's just useless and at 24 the writing has to be on the wall. ) . KaminskI / Brittain, Hyam, S Wharton, Pickering / Morton, A Wharton / Hedges, Dack, Brereton / Gallagher Dack MUST start - quite simply you just know he will make things happen and he will get in the right places in the box to give himself an opportunity to notch. As manager, I would be telling him he starts the next 5 games and needs to prove there is still something in his locker to offer. It really is time to either sh1t or get off the pot. The Dack question needs answering.

I could sink 10 out of 12 putts on local pitch and putt course. Could I sink 10 out of 12 at Augusta - could I feck. Different circumstances, different standards, different pressures - a huge difference for Hirst. 40 Championship appearances and not a single goal. There is a reason - think he's clearly donkey.- makes Ashley Ward look like Haaland!

I'm beginning to think we've just got a 'nicer' version of Mowbray. Some signings and his tactics and selections are baffling. I actually think our points return of 18 is about 6 points more than our performances have merited. We've won games we didn't really deserve to yet I can't think of games we've lost and thought 'we were unlucky there, we deserved something from the game'. Very worrying times. As a club, we shoot ourselves in the feet - seemingly, by insisting our new manager takes on Johnson, Lowe and Benson. Our 1st team coaching set-up needed a complete clear out - I think Johnson, Lowe and Benson are a big, big part of the problem and I just don't see what value they bring to the party.

I very much doubt Hirst will get anywhere near the number of goals Bell, Quinn and Thompson scored in their relatively illustrious careers in comparison to Hirst. I have seen absolutely nothing in Hirst to suggest there's even a hint of a player in there and God help us if he was our number 1 summer target. There is a reason he didn't score in 36 appearances at Rotherham and there is also a reason why he started many games there on the bench. I don't rate Vale and I don't even think Hirst is better than Vale. Scary times and a reportedly agreed £5million fee to make the loan permanent. I think someone is having their p1sser pulled even harder than when it was pulled by Posh for Szmodics.

The lad looked terrified (the look of those who miss vital pens in games that go to pens) - senior pros or the captain should have stepped in and stopped him taking the pen.. He was clearly distraught after missing, however, he gets paid big bucks and with that comes big responsibilities. I have no sympathy for him. As the saying goes, if you can't stand the heat then stay out of the feckin kitchen

In days gone by when we'd signed a donkey of a centre forward, Alf Thornton would write 'showed some nice touches' in his match report - diplomacy for donkey / w@nker.

Utter rubbish. Got what we deserved - feck all. Penalty should never have been given as never a free kick that led to it. Why the feck let Hirst take it - miss might finish him as a Rovers' player if ever he was going to be a player. Selection appalling. How can you leave Wharton S out and how the hell is Buckley better than Wharton A. A feckin joke Buckley given a new 5 year contract - think the lad's a joke player. Szmodics - we've spunked an awful lot of money up the wall. Painfully obvious our starting midfield not up to it. Utterly punchless. A dire, dire night. Serious concerns for me now about JDT

So refreshing after, IMO, the turgid and sourpuss, dinosaurial Mowbray.

The penny still hasn't dropped Chaddy has it? Rovers WANTED Sepp van den Berg but he went elsewhere. My understanding is Gibson WANTED Dyche and he was top of his wanted list but seemingly he wont be going there and will be going elsewhere - when I first posted on this I strongly caveated it would be a big IF as the geography didn't work for Dyche. With the greatest respect to you and 'most people' you refer to, I am very confident Dyche was the number one target given where this information came from. As we know from bitter experience with Rovers' managerial serach, you might have targets but you fail to land them. It's very simple and if you can't understand that then I am sorry.

I'll let you do the figures Gav but would not surprise me if Brentford's NET spend is much different to Rovers - they are expert at buying, selling then buying again. Edit - also, just seen Hasta's post on Forest, says it all.

Rated Cooper until now. Seems to have completely lost the plot. How on earth you can make so many signings (20+)when promoted and expect to both maintain a harmony with those who got you up and form a cohesive unit so quickly to compete in the PL is beyond me. They look a rabble and would be surprised if Cooper survives the week. Dyche would be a super appointment for them.

I really struggle to understand you at times Chaddy. Can I suggest before you fire out responses, you firstly read slowly and carefully what others post. When I first raised this on the Cardiff thread, I posted: "Understand Dyche is next in line for M'boro job IF, and it's quite a big IF given location, he wants it. Stuck a few quid on Dyche at 12/1 (odds falling pretty quickly)". What can be clearer than that. You twisting what people say just causes frustration with posters. If I knew Dyche didn't want the job, do you honestly think I would have backed him? The bottom line is simply this: seemingly, the job is, or was, Dyche's IF HE WANTS IT, WANTED IT. This is not from titbits in the Middlesbrough Sun or whatever rag they have up there. It is from a colleague of mine who has very good connections with MFC whose observations/thoughts shared with me on Friday night proved spot on.

Does it need spelling out - even if Gibson wants Dyche, if Dyche DOESN'T WANT THE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please someone get me a hammer and chisel!!!

I know who my colleague's connections are at Middlesbrough and if you also knew then you wouldn't write such rubbish. As posted, bottom line is Gibson wants a winner and a no nonsense manager like Dyche would soon put an end to any nonsense. IF Dyche WANTED the job I think you would find it would be done and dusted in the blink of an eye.

The need NOT to inherit and work with the likes of Lowe and Benson for a start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My 'insight' was gained from a colleague who uses corporate facilities at the Riverside and has good connections there. He told me on Friday night he though Wilder was on the thinnest of ice and even a win might not be enough to save him - a defeat would mean the inevitable. His understanding is Gibson wants a 'winner' - simple as that - and Dyche ticks the boxes IF he wants it - as I posted earlier, the geography doesn't help (even further way from his home than Burnley was). Not really concerned what the local journalist thinks, if he's anything like Sharpe then I think he will be behind the curve.

As I posted on Saturday, it was inevitable - Gibson doesn't mess about and I think it just shows the madness of Rovers' leniency through the Mowbray 'death spirals' (note plural!). Again, as I posted on Saturday, Brucie at WBA will be next. Understand Dyche is next in line for M'boro job IF, and it's quite a big IF given location, he wants it. Stuck a few quid on Dyche at 12/1 (odds falling pretty quickly). As for Cardiff, think it's fair to say we are a bit unpredictable and I think we've got a few more points than our performances generally deserve. Think Cardiff will edge it as we don't seem to be able to mentally and physically handle 2 consecutive games and within days of one another...................................

Very perceptive @chaddyrovers Where do you see us being after 22 games, 33 games and finally the end of the season? Would also appreciate 6 numbers for Wednesday night's lottery!

@chaddyroversif Morton and Wharton are very different types of midfielders then they must have different skill sets otherwise they would be the same! Therefore, I asked you what you thought their strengths were - would love to read your thoughts especially as you seem to prefer Morton. Yes, you are mistaken in that I have taken in a handful of Rovers' games this season both home and away plus those matches that have been on Sky. I also asked you which of Buckley, Morton and Wharton would be the most sought after if Rovers were able to put all three up for sale (for argument's sake, assume Morton is our player). Surprised your response is 'no idea'. To me it's as blatantly obvious as to who you would take on a dinner date - Liz Truss or Beyonce! - perhaps you'd prefer Liz Truss!?