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Yeah, I also cant understand the fixation about 4 (well, 6) key players all leaving the club because we cant sort first team contracts out. Only a minor issue.

Question - why, when we've sold over £50 million worth of players in 4 years (averaging out at £13 million per year, convenient that this is roughly the amount we lose each year) - are we not able to afford to pay our players as much or more than Wrexham or Derby? Please answer me that one.

Yes. Because it is important and directly affects how the club performs. Must be nice to just want to sweep things under the carpet and pretend everything is well and gross negligent chronic mismanagement doesn't matter because 'it's in the past'. Gestede, Ismael and Pasha would just love that if everyone fell for the 'new era' spiel again and forget all about the chaos of the last 4 years that they have delivered. If only life was so straight forward. Unfortunately unless we finish 7th or above there should be an inquest into what has gone on here and why and serious questions asked and answers demanded. Not just a shoulder shrug 'it's in the past' routine. The club will never, ever get anywhere if it doesn't at least accept and recognise past failings and ensure they won't ever happen again. Under this regime it is just being set up for the same in a couple of years.

Tronstad has said more recently in a local media interview that he was very happy at Rovers, loved being here and would like to extend his stay. So which one is accurate? With Travis you are doing exactly what the club want people to do - making out as though the club is nought but a powerless spectator in the debacle. You're contradicting yourself here - suggesting his comments about wanting to stay at Rovers weren't true and yet attaching importance to his recent comments to BBC Derby which of course are going to offer a different narrative. The club is to blame for his departure. Surely you can accept that basic principle?

Oh i don't know it's quite nice being able to see the clear picture rather than the dark illusions of having one's head perennially in the sand.

Neither could Adam Wharton

I am not sure I follow - why would Cantwell be more likely to get injured in a deeper role?

some can of PL money and some can of their commercial and sponsor money intake. Some owners don't want spend big on wages and some do. Had Rovers offered new contracts during Eustace early reign, some of them might have sign them. People are still fixation on these 4 players who have gone.

Can any championship club "afford" wages, most will be in significant debt and running at a loss, surely? The club would have had very little problems in getting all 4 on a new contract if the club paid the going rate in the championship and showed some level of ambition but as we do neither, it's no wonder they all left. I'm sure everyone is looking forward to seeing how the new players get on but we all know that none will be here beyond the length of their contracts, or even within the last 12 months of their contracts, as the new norm is to sell anyone who has 12 months or less on their current deal, and none will sign an extended deal because our salaries on offer are too low. As @Tomphil2 says above, it won't be long before our players are leaving for Preston and Oxford because they will have overtaken us.

must be insufferable for you and the other moaners living with this sort of fear on a daily basis 😄

Yep, O'Riordans seems a good one, and Edmondson & Pratt are being given a chance, but at the moment, the rest seem to be nothing more than squad fillers at their loan clubs

is it self imposed wage cap or is it Rovers paying what we can afford within our finances Dolan was never re-sign here as I said earlier. Travis wasn't after Eustace left. See his comments with BBC Derby, he wanted out Brittain I thought he would cos of Ismael. None did, but we sold them and reinvest some of money into signings, so instead of looking back and back why not look forward to the players here and will actually be playing in Rovers shirt this season.

It'll come to a point soon where the likes of Preston, Oxford and similar will come in and take our better players simply by offering standard championship wages of a couple of grand a week more over 3 years. The happy clappers are going to need lots and lots of blow up snakes in the near future.

Our self imposed wage cap has already seen us lose Travis, Hyam, Dolan and Brittain. 4 players who would be starting here every week, 3 of which went to other championship clubs. We'll never retain any good players, as they will always want to leave for more money. So the results on the pitch will inevitably get worse as the quality of the squad is constantly reduced.

Looks like a lot of poorly thought out loans this year.

As good as a win it was for Rovers at the weekend, Ipswich appear to have clicked now, albeit after playing a very poor form Sheffield United side. I think this will be another home 0-2 defeat. Lots of effort on show but a lack of quality in the final third. Suspect Ismael will start with the same 11 that started the Watford game.

Mr Woo from Benidorm and Ryoya Morishito. Maybe not in true likeness but the laugh is remarkably similar.

But then do we want to to risk losing cantwell to injury when he can be utilised more in a forward role in certain games? Sitting cantwell in the middle of the park is a gamble imo

I think the likelihood is that they will have made a deal that they could stretch to if he has a real break out season and becomes a key player (which would probably also see Cantwell who will only have 1 year left next summer, departing to fund his salary) However, the most probable eventuality is that he is useful cover for a season, and then his loan ends and he returns to Birmingham in the summer

Yeah I suppose it's easy to agree to a 3/4 year deal of 20k a week when you don't have to actually commit to it after the loan ends. I'd like to think they would have negotiated something realistic in case he does turn out to be a good one so we can trigger it at any time, but then I remember who's in charge.

The permanent contract has to be agreed at the same time as the loan deal, yes, but there is nothing stopping Rovers from having the option of a permanent deal to take over his £20K ish per week deal and then simply not doing so... unless he randomly makes 20 odd goal contributions over the season and it makes sense to do so

I thought Brittain would cos of Ismael.. None of us knew Tronstad wants to back to Norway at the end of his contract. I hope we get some. A couple will move on for first team opportunities.

TAKECOPTER!

Feels like he believes more in austerity.

Well you seemed pretty confident to say multiple times this summer that Brittain and Tronstad would sign new deals. So, how many of that lot who expire in less than two years do you think will sign new contracts here? Going off recent history, I will say none, with the outside chance of one, being Wharton because he's a Blackburn lad.