I thought Ipswich were shocking. No shots on target before that penalty that never was. If that's handball the game's gone. One of the other Ipswich players was a good yard or two inside the area when the penalty was struck as well. No way they're amongst the favourites to go up automatically on that showing. Birmingham looked decent enough. Probably a good bet for top 6. Hopefully being pegged back in such unfortunate circumstances will have derailed their momentum a bit for when they face us.

Apart from Travis I wouldn't lose any sleep about any of the others. In fact I think we'd be doing well to get shut of them.

If that came to light then I think even the ‘happy clappers’ (for want of a better phrase) would turn

Whether they were offered contracts or not the outcome is the same, they left or will leave so there are deep issues involved obviously. For what it's worth the Nyambie, Lenihen, BBD scenario's played out the same over a similar period and they all left as well. We heard the same stuff they were offered great deals - at the 11th hour once their ahents had something else lined up. Same pattern at play, same narrative created of blame all the players, same guy in the shadows being unaccountable yet letting the same things happen over and over. Some might say him and his bosses are the real problem.

Prediction of exits Buckley, Travis, Cantwell, Pears and Leonard , before window shuts !!

Exactly what I thought! Bloody nerve of it.

England not uk

I can't remember the exact wording but something along the lines of "When are you signing a new contract?" "When I get offered one" I don't know whether Ismael was honest or straight to the point. How do you know? It's your opinion. Yes club employees will be told a version of events by Venky stooge in charge. Give it time and he will learn the hard way that what Venky stooges say and the reality are often some way apart.

What did Travis say outside to fans about a contract offer? Was Ismael straight to the point, open and honest about the Brittain Situation, post Stanley game and what would the week after if still here which was part of our first team squad for the Everton? club employees like Ismael you mean?

500 up👏. A couple of wickets with more promised this week. All this talk of 1 year contract extensions and then Stansfield gets a seven year contract. This is why we need American owners. https://huddleup.substack.com/p/the-billionaire-tax-trick-fueling?utm_source=substack&publication_id=17922&post_id=170177694&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true&r=cakiq&triedRedirect=true

Wasn’t the point in question I agree with all of the above but it’s not what you said - you said no offer

Fundamentally this comes down to whether you believe the club has made a serious effort to keep any of these players. I don't. The reason for my original post was concern that people are starting to fall for a narrative that they have been made appropriate offers but have declined them. I don't believe for one second that they have and the club is 100% to blame for this situation in my opinion, not any of the players. I get angry and concerned when I see people suggesting that the players are somehow the issue in this situation. How many times must it happen for people to realise the club is the problem?

I don't understand either of your questions but think I've said enough on the subject. If you want to believe the narrative being spread by club employees despite plenty of reasons to believe otherwise then go ahead, there's no evidence either way but we all know how this ends.

Well it doesn’t matter in the context of my reply you said he hasn’t been offered anything I’m saying he has whether he’s been offered a reasonable contract I’d likely agree and say no but don’t change the goalposts mid debate

Which was? Was Ismael straight open and honest about the Brittain Situation and what would the week after if still here?

Who has evidence of anything? Ismael says one thing. Travis, Brittain and Tronstad said another. They refused to even entertain the prospect of new contracts in February, to the point of forcing Eustace out rather than keep him, yet by May/June have done it? Nah I think it is foolish to assume the bloke new to the club and being given his information by Pasha/Gestede is the correct version.

Doesn't really matter - either way not a serious attempt to keep him and end result is the same

Thought it was a decent game. Impressed with Brum - great intensity and played some good stuff. Big mistake was they scored and then sat back instead of going for killer second. Top 6 finish for them - Davies spoke well and clearly has them well drilled, thought Neumann and Osayi-Samuel were outstanding at the back and free transfer signings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ipswich were Ipswich, so resilient - McKenna is a terrific manager and still lining his ducks up in a row. A point tonight given where they are (in transition) is a great result. Will get promoted in 1st or 2nd. Brum will stuff us at Ewood next week - far better quality of player and so well coached.

There were people who posted on here that they had heard him say it / asked him about it outside the ground You're doing exactly what the owners and their stooges want - believing every word that they instruct/give Ismael to spread. This is part of the problem - fans blindly trusting everything that gets said without sitting back for a few minutes and thinking about the implausibility of it. That doesn't make Ismael a liar, just that he will be getting told a version of events by people he is working for.

And for the record I think the club and venkys are probably the third worst run club in the uk couldn’t see them far enough away from rovers but when debating things let’s not make stuff up without any sort of evidence. Doesn’t really do anything for anybody on a message board

Now your changing your wording to ‘serious offer’ that’s a different conversation altogether You have went from no offer in one response to serious offer in the next which is it?

Cos that's your narrative doesn't JH? So Ismael is lying to the fans? He didn't lie about Brittain situation did he? Was straight talking, open and honest, telling the fans the truth?

I think the point for most current fans is that it's so hollow. There is no reveling in our proud history whilst the last 15 years of it have been a total embarrassment. The people at the club posting about our great history have spent all that time basically dismantling it. They don't get to post and float about it, they're ruining it.

So you seriously believe that between March and early July, most of which time the club was effectively in lockdown and all the players and staff were off on holiday, and the Venky stooge was in India getting his instructions, that he's initiated contract talks and then actually made a serious offer? Have you been following events at the club recently? Ismael will be getting strung along like the rest of us - told a tale by those above him to keep him quiet/happy/blaming the previous regime. He's new to all this and probably thinks he's working for a genuine honest group of people. He will learn by January.

Which people? What about about Ismael's post Stanley games? No comment or just ignored them?