We are victims of the sunk cost fallacy...

Are you referring to the share allotments? There is no loan agreement saying anything needs to be paid back

One of the reasons people have said they won’t entertain a sale is they want some money back.

Well the money Venky's advance us does appear on the balance sheet as debt... £147.8M and counting. Obviously there is no way we can pay it back. But it is there in black and white (and highlighted in my yellow). https://swissramble.substack.com/p/blackburn-rovers-finances-202324

Technically, (as with Jack) aren't the amounts that have been run up long term loans to the owners with no realistic expectation they'll ever be repaid? Unless of course we got promoted and stayed there for a number of years. Edit: Wilesden beat me to it.

The club has plenty of debt to the owners - £134 million in the last set of accounts. Whether they’ll get even a penny of that back is an entirely different thing.

The club has no debt to the owners. The only money the club needs to pay to the owners ( via a subsidiary) is rent on the training ground. The money they have spent over the last 15 years are simply running costs, not investments.

Really? Do tell!

Is that holding the club to ransom? I thought he was told he wouldn't get as much game time as he was hoping for, had an opportunity to go on loan and took it? Don't tell me that the club weren't happy to offload his wages for 6 months.

Not everyone hull and sheff w fans would argue otherwise

He also argues that the fans, can't expect much in the way of transfers because our attendances are so low!

If we could be owned by a fans group or a consortium including fans I would take that . I can't really see anyone who would buy us and put money in without expecting it back. The number of unconnected owners who come into a Championship club and it works out is pretty minimal. Often turns into a total disaster. While not having wealthy owners would mean we would have to balance the books, we are closer to doing that now anyway. I think I'd prefer supporting a club run by fans with less resources, than gamble on another owner who may not be engaged for the long term. Even with less cash I would imagine an engaged fan owners would prioritise much better (e.g. getting key players to sign contracts...). Fan owned models while not big in the UK do exist - Hearts, Exeter, AFC Wimbledon.

Google “AI meeting minutes apps”

Unlikely I know, but what about an unofficial/ unapproved version with a caveat to say, these need to be ratified and agreed by all concerned and therefore cannot be guaranteed as accurate for the time being. At least that way, we see what is presented to the club and the final edited version. If you don't ask, you don't get, so I am asking.

Wind it back in cocker or maybe give up your time to help?

You don’t think being fan owned is a sensible proposition but you think a sensible response is “do what everyone else has done and just get better owners”. The way you make it sound, it should be easy to sort, crack on.

1st bit in bold- Are you trying to say the word 'accurate' here? Either way, it's unrealistic to expect such a long meeting to be recreated in the minutes. 2nd bit in bold- Completely unfair and way off the mark. As I've said before, if anyone thinks they can do a better job, they're welcome to join.

As it's been reported previously, that the minutes published aren't an acriute account of the exact minutes, I hope the unelected members of the FF call this out and not sit there like nodding dogs as usual. It's been far to long that the club keep breaking EFL rules on consultation meetings and submit the FF as fan engagement.

Why is the future being fan owned? I don't think that is a sensible proposal. No other examples of this working. Why can't we just do what everyone else has done and get better owners, more importantly ones prepared to invest

Before his loan move to Ipswich, if I remember rightly, there were rumours that he fell out with the manager. I have no idea what went on but in the end Travis didn’t make the cut at Ipswich and all was forgiven, it seems, when he came back.

I'm so sick of this husk of a club. As if losing your players for nothing over and over again wasn't bad enough the attempted gaslighting by Gestede and co. is so galling. Dolan, Bath and Weimann leave for free. Brittain is being sold for buttons buuutttttt Hyam might sign a new deal.

Lol, I got home 21.40, though did speak after the forum to a couple of people, so in theory I was there for over 3 hours

Did anyone from the club, listen with passion and conviction ?

Not mine- meeting started at 630pm, I was at my car for 820pm.

Whilst, this isn't exactly high praise- I do think Waggott was more competent, but I think Suhail has the ear of the owners.