Would the only way that people have thought that his move was correct if he had gone from our bench/under 21s straight into a Premier League starting 11? He was 5th choice here when he left. When Ayala left, he would have still been 4th choice. He has instead gone on very well selected loan moves. The first one at Plymouth was probably one of only one or two teams at this level that would have regularly started him. Then onto Stoke who are a step up from Plymouth but again were willing to start him week in week out. How would he have been better off had he stayed?

I see Ashley Phillips has gone back on loan to Stoke. Should have stayed at rovers. You reap what you sow

Spain have such skilful players - rather like their men in fact. England will have to be more careful with their passing and cut out the silly mistakes. And they need to start well instead of having to chase the game again. Spain are favourites for me because of their better ability but this England team hopefully will put a fight as always.

Wharton is an absolute freak. He has progressed so rapidly because he is a special talent. Phillips is also a talent but not at that level. Poor decision by Spurs? They at the very least will make a considerable profit on the peanuts they paid? Poor decision by his agent? He would have been well paid for the move and likely again when he moves on, having seen his client really establish himself as a Championship defender so long. And even with us, it is much harder to protect yourselves with young players. Id be amazed if Tyjon is still here next season.

Like he was here when he left. He will probably be sold next summer. And assuming he continues to impress, as still a very young centre back with lots of games under his belt and having impressed at Championship level, he will have his fair share of options.

He has been given the platform to play regular Championship football, where he has really impressed at a young age. He wasnt even playing here. Why did they buy him? Big clubs often hoover up young players who have potential. Spurs werent signing a 17 year old 5th choice Championship defender to come straight in. They will have known that there was a strong chance that at the very least, they could sell him on in the future for considerable profit. They very well might next summer.

But he was behind Hyam and Carter here. And presumably would have continued to be. My main question is though. Even if he had stayed here and played a similar number of games in the same division, which I doubt but I will run with it. How would he have been in a better position in terms of reputation? I would get the argument had he gone to Spurs and stayed there in the under 21s but not based on the route he has taken. And I dont get why you are fixating on that first half season. He played was it 9 games the season prior for us. Another 6 months not playing at such a young age will not have hindered his development, even if you discount training with better players and coaches.

I’d say his career has plateaued at the moment but he’s still got youth on his side. I think he’ll have a decent career. Like a lad that used to be in our woodworking class - Craig Dawson.

We’ll have to be at our absolute best to beat Spain. Selecting the best 11 to start will be crucial.

Phillips's stock has risen to what? Why did Spurs buy for him tho in the first place?

Wales national team development coach

We didn't have an option - his agent forced us to put that pitiful clause in his contract.

And still 5th / 6th choice at his club.

Someone who works for the Welsh FA in some capacity judging by his post.

So, it's England v Spain in the final on Sunday Time for England revenge but win or lose It's going to be a great occasion. Can't wait. Rather better than watching a pub game of beer-swilling fat men throwing 'arrers

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I seen one of them ai league position articles and it had us in 4th at the end of the season sounds fair lump 5 ton on it easy money

I think once they knew there was a whiff of compensation in the air they couldn't help him through the door quick enough.

Gueye at WBA with Lowe as interim coach was the best I've seen in years from a Rovers striker.

Yes that’s fair Iv accepted the financial side of things more talking from a footballing perspective a player could move to leave one clubs and be better paid than some of rovers players

Thanks @arbitro, appreciate that.

Agree re stock A quick look on transfermrkt and nothing major has changed since we sold him valued around £2m ish same as when we sold him Another loan at Stoke when spurs playing in 4 comps next season says it all really. May as well have stayed at rovers for a couple of years but we probably offered him a terrible contract and he moved. Sad really

I think he finished the season pretty well, but generally, I'd agree that he was a very average player overall. I think Tyjon has a much higher ceiling - and will contribute a greater GA output than Dolan, if he plays a similar amount of games. And I actually think that Kargbo will turn out to contribute more for us, pending avoidance of injury.

It’s not a stretch to assume really given the facts Iv just provided about injuries and his trajectory into the team at the time. Clearly a talented lad hence spurs wanting and getting him why would the chances have been slim for him playing here the same amount of times if he’s valued/viewed to be that good a talent and was battling hard at the time to break into the team we signed mcfadz then batth. I’d say it’s a fair assumption he would have played quite a lot of games for rovers. And considering spurs wanted him then before moving actually playing a significant amount of games in the championship and performing then no doubt there would have been more suitors. But when you make a bad move then miss half a season and move to with all due respect Plymouth it sort of takes you out of the spotlight and I personally don’t think his stock as risen that much or he wouldn’t be going back to Stoke with the greatest respect to them. And as for spurs I’d be very surprised if he plays any first team football ever for them so on that basis minus training against Harry Kane for 4/5 months I think it’s been a poor move for him