In the context you wrote it, "or" means the same as "and". ie "both" not either/or. Straying way off the point though which was that I can't imagine we'll have learnt too much about how we're going to set up for the action proper from pre season and secondly despite efforts to complicate it football is basically a very simple game and within reason Id have to agree with Souness in that football is not won and lost by formations but by the 11 players out on the pitch winning their individual battles.

Of course, we hadn't thought of that. How wrong we all are.

If "EVERYBODY" knew that I would have expected the likes of Manchester City, Liverpool and Arsenal to have come in for him when he was available for sale - instead it was Crystal Palace.

Should of been in room, these are just minutes. I'm sure you can imagine what being in the room and what other things just slipped of the tongue

As Arbitro says the comment from Suhail on Wharton's fee says it all. EVERYBODY knew that Adam was special and would thrive in the Premier League and Play for England. Only someone who knew nothing about football could have reached any other conclusion. So what's he doing in charge of a football club then? We have no hope till he, at least, has gone.

Please read again, I said "or", not "and" No contradiction at all Apologies for the "maybe you should be watching another sport" comment, I just took exception to you pulling up Chaddy (on this occasion) who, whilst I do think trots out a lot of nonsense which borders on club propaganda, was not wrong in the comment he made that you responded to. But I am happy to leave it there

1) It remains to be seen IF we have been playing that way AND 2) IF that will be the preferred way of playing this season Which isn't too far from the point I was trying to make in a light hearted way. But I should be watching another sport or something. I haven't seen any of the pre season warm ups and couldn't care less whether we set up 2-2-2-2-2 or 4-4 fucking 2 in good old Mike Bassett fashion as long as it works. All that matters is that whatever formation we try it works, we score more goals than the opposition, and we win football matches.

I thought u said pre season games are meaningless

True, I'd omitted him on the basis I've not seen that much of him other than against our forwards which you don't have to be particularly quick to marshall

McLoughlin no faster than those mentioned either

I, like many loved periods of JDT ball, however a back 3 of Wharton, Hyam and one of Pickering/Carter/Ribeiro could be up there with the slowest defensive units we've put out, they'd make Nelsen and Ooijer look quick.

care to point out where?

Ooo bitchy. You just contradicted yourself twice in the space of 4 lines there though.

It remains to be seen if Rovers have only been playing that way due to who is (and is not) available or if that will be Ismael's preferred way of setting up the team this season, but if you cannot see that is what has been happening during pre season then you should maybe try watching another sport

It's very JDT, starting 4-2-3-1 and going 3-4-3. De Neve and/or Miller are going to have to be very, very fit with bulletproof hamstrings

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Lol. I'm impressed you managed to deduce all that from a few kick abouts pre season.

So like I said 3-4-3 is the base formation when in possession, what you've listed is basically Tuchels' version of 3-4-3

Jesus. Fucking. Wept. Amongst all the other alarming comments made by the club, we finally have it, in black and white (or red) that there is no desire for the club to do anything other than to alleviate the burden of Rovers from the owners. There is no where else to turn, we absolutely have to drive these owners out of the club.

Goals win games. But also to provide competition for places, cover in case of injuries and suspension, and to provide options off the bench. Using that argument we'd be Ok with 3 CB's or 3 Central midfielders.

You are fixated with having loads of players. We can only register 25 players 2 players per position with extra keeper, centre back, centre midfielder and striker should be more than enough for us. why do we need 11 players for 4 attacking positions? Bench wise you want 3/4 attacking players, back up right back/ left back/centre back and 1/2 centre midfielders. Right winger should be current main priority to sign. You posted like we don't already know all this RF99. Do you think we all know who has left?

Totally agree there Mark Why do we need 2 striker for? One should be enough given we only play 1 striker We play 4-2-3-1 formation when defending and when it possession it's goes 3-4-2-1 formation with the right back pushing on and becoming the right winger, Right winger moving inside into a 10 role and left back moving along the 2 centre backs. All pre season we played like this

Think he was likely to be behind Nat Phillips & Campbell for a starting position anyway. Possibly also Heggem (unless he plays as a full back again)

Carter never got going and had a poor season overall. Hyam had a very solid season but it's also because we were sat deeper than prior so him and Baatth weren't exposed. A repeat of finishing seventh seems like utopia to me at this stage, but we'll see.

I may be wrong but I get the sense that people feel the combination of Hyam/Carter is sound. I seem to remember several home games when a simple ball over the top wasn't dealt with and goals ensued. But then my memory is very likely faulty and perhaps there were other factors involved.