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Nick Lowe - Cruel to be Kind

Bloody hell, Tronstad is hopeless and Miller even worse. Now you’re arguing with a fair minded Board member who has refereed at the highest level. What’s the view like from up there 🤷‍♂️

I mean you’re the expert. But from where I’m sitting, the ball wasn’t even on the ground, Morishita hadn’t touched it yet, he was maximum a couple of feet ahead of the defender and was about 30 yards from goal. If the ball was at his feet and he was sprinting towards goal ahead of the defenders then I’d totally agree, but given he still had to take the ball down, control it and move 15-20 yards with it before shooting, I think a yellow is fair.

I actually thought there was more anger about this incident than I have seen at Ewood for a long time. I sit in the JW Upper towards the Darwen End and there was genuine anger towards the referee. The boos at half-time told it's own story to me. In a strange way though I thought it really lifted the atmosphere and the crowd, after being understandably quiet for several home games really got behind the team in an almost siege mentality.

Sheffield Wednesday are not going to be pushovers Remember, they're going through a tough period, and L1 is certain for them. However, if we can't win against Sheffield Wednesday, I'll be questioning the mentality again. Never mind the embarrassment

We were fuming in the JW Upper

Adam Owen being praised for his data led approach. Presume the data guided them to De Neve, Tavares, Henriksson etc?

You can bet VI will come up with an FA charge for the list

Its not even questionable. Just absent.

Exactly! Love that he's a fan favourite and no one can say that he doesn't try to get the support going, but his footballing abilityis questionable.

On the 'last man, red card' incident, I saw it from the back corner of the Blackburn End. It wasn't the best view in the ground, but no one around me seemed particularly angry and upset when a yellow card was brandished rather than a red one. From where I was stood, it wasn't clear he was definitely the last man or that it was a clear goalscoring opportunity, there wasn't the chants of "off off off" etc. Having seen it again, I can see why it wasn't given.

Its fine to have a whinge about the clear mistake surrounding the red card. To come out with a pre prepared list of refereeing mistakes across the season in the immediate aftermath of the game, imply a lack of integrity and a bias for whatever reason to Ipswich, that is unnecessary.

One thing surely people can agree on is the standard of refereeing in this league? It's disgusting, and if I ever see Oliver Langford at Ewood again this season. He'll be getting told what I think of him

Always nice to get an endorsement…

He can't do anything right on a football pitch. Thats the issue. He isn't being scapegoated. People are just sick of seeing an incompetent and lazy player come on and offer nothing. He is terrible.

To varying degrees. Alebiosu has been consistently very good. Gudjohnsen might not offer much in general play but strikers need to score goals and he keeps getting them, another success. The others are much more mixed. Morishita flits in and out, has ability but often ineffective. McLoughlin is average. Miller can be decent but has a mistake in him and is poor on the ball. TGH, barely average. Forshaw has done well in the last 2 although last night only lasted 55 minutes and youd be hard pushed to suggest hes been a success overall. The thing is, we have signed far too many who are not only underwhelming, they are absolutely nowhere near it. A squad cant afford to have so many players signed that are as bad as some of ours are. You often resort to suggesting that people are negative out of desperation. I can say that there were elements of our performance that were good last night. Contrary to your suggestion on the Ismael thread, I was also very annoyed to see only a yellow card shown when I think it had to be a red card. Im not going to parrot Ismael and imply that referees favour Ipswich, thats conspiracy nonsense. And I dont think Ohashi should have had a penalty, as much as I would have taken it. But we were hard done by with the missed red card, it was poor officiating. There isnt going to be a sudden influx of brilliant referees, the only realistic solution to such situations would be VAR. All of that to me is outweighed by the annoyance I felt coming away having seen us chuck away 2 points, conceding late AGAIN, watching the same horrendous subs (obviously not Cantwell) look out of their depth. Red card or no red card, we had the lead going into injury time, and under our control, we managed to fuck it up. You like Ismael seem keen to gloss over that completely and pin all of the blame on the referee, going down the woe is me route. We still had the win in our hands and threw it away. Again. Thats the concern to me, and thats the route of most of my annoyance.

I had a feeling gudjonson would score a load of goals for us. I can't see him being here next season

You cite several reasons for it not to be a sending off and then say 'just about a red'. For it to be 'just about a red' the criteria you mention has to be fulfilled. I'm confused by your rationale.

I hope Ipswich miss out on the play-offs by 2 points

Enough in that last game and previous matches to go out and win a game now.

Fair point 👍🏻

You've cited a load of criteria there and none of them really support your case for it being a red, it was a long way out, Moreshita was out to the side and not clean through centrally on goal, neither did he have the ball properly under control, and Davis was in the vicinity, might or might not have got back. I thought it was probably just about a red but it wasn't as clear cut as many are making out. You've done the ref's job for him there illustrating reasons why it was legitimate NOT to give a red.

Let's just get over it, concentrate on Saturdays game and win it.

He is going to get to the ball first and the likelihood of him controlling the ball was high. Likelihood of keeping or gaining control: Whether the attacker would have been able to control the ball.

Yep, to the outsider these owners are probably the very definition of ideal - pour tons of money in, don't interfere and in it for the long haul. We're in a decreasing minority in recognising the immense long term lasting damage this is doing. Quite a few others know about it - the dozens of players and staff who have escaped it at the first opportunity - fortunately for them there's no local or emotional attachment to contend with and they can simply secure employment elsewhere