Kelbo Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Decision making/concentration has always been Robbo's flaw, this was just another example of it. I almost don't think of it as a mistake, just a limitation of his ability. These things happen, unfortunately we were punished with a goal as teams often are with a mistake in the penalty box at this level. He's been consistently decent for us since he joined in my opinion, the odd mistake and bad performance but I think the good has outweighed the bad. He's not as good as Friedel but nor are 99% of goalkeepers. Friedel would make a top 5 list of all time premiership goalkeepers in my opinion, especially if you take into account for how long he was at the top of his game for, and still is for that matter. Robbo is as good as any of the English keepers at the moment and in my opinion deserves a place in the squad and at least should have been given a chance by Capello to show what he can do by now. Unfortunately that also tells you a lot about the standard of English goalkeepers, decent but nothing special. It worries me more every day to be honest, this might not be the place for it but I think it could be what costs us in South Africa. Freidel was good but only a set piece from conceding, arguably the worst in the prem at set pieces and organising a wall!!
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T4E Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 They give England caps away with a box of Shreddies these days, 40 caps for England means nothing. Thats nonsense Bry, as I suspect you know.
Hasta Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Freidel was good but only a set piece from conceding, arguably the worst in the prem at set pieces and organising a wall!! Cobblers. The parts of Friedel's game that people might consider weak were average at worst compared to most other Premier League keepers.
Majiball Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 They give England caps away with a box of Shreddies these days, 40 caps for England means nothing. Is he getting picked now we have a decent manager, and Robinson's late-20's? Didn't think so. He sure does make mistakes because he has basic flaws to his game. £3.5 mill is a lot for a goalie, and we have no comparable outfield players for that money other than Grella and Kalinic, and that don't make that many mistakes. For £3.5 mill, I'd expect a higher level of competence. When Kalinic makes a mistake he either misses or the midfield/defence are there to clean-up. When Grella makes a mistake the defence and Robbo are there. When Robbo makes a mistake the defence are nowhere, not even marking the dangerman, as proven against Liverpool. As for Shreddies I've been eating them for years and never one england cap has fallen out, thankfully my family would lynch me if I had one. PS I agree Friedel's not good at organising his wall.
Amo Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Wow. We've resorted to criticising our greatest ever goalkeeper to defend Paul Robinson. Really scraaaaaping the barrel now...
Majiball Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Wow. We've resorted to criticising our greatest ever goalkeeper to defend Paul Robinson. Really scraaaaaping the barrel now... Greatest ever, for me thats Flowers. You'll notice I made no comparision at all to Brad and Paul merely agreeing with kelbo's comments on brad about organising his wall, something I always felt was one of his weakest area's. I happen to respect Kelbo's opinion he's been in the game all his life and given back to the game in ways some on here will never understand. you'll also notice neither did Kelbo. Next part is aimed at whoever wants to take it to heart. Just like most on here don't understand that its not just Robbo who's at fault for the situations we've seen recently. Where's the crap aimed at Givet for not picking up Torres on his pointless run to the goal-line, or Samba for not picking him up?????? Perhaps Dunns comments where right.
Zulu Posted March 6, 2010 Posted March 6, 2010 You'll miss him now he's gone down the road. (Quality paper this - well researched!) http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/125144/Paul-Robinson-s-debt-to-Owen-Coyle-/ Hopefully you'll click on the link before the muppets notice the mistake and change the photo - otherwise you won't know what I'm banging on about!
Kelbo Posted March 6, 2010 Posted March 6, 2010 Greatest ever, for me thats Flowers. You'll notice I made no comparision at all to Brad and Paul merely agreeing with kelbo's comments on brad about organising his wall, something I always felt was one of his weakest area's. I happen to respect Kelbo's opinion he's been in the game all his life and given back to the game in ways some on here will never understand. you'll also notice neither did Kelbo. Next part is aimed at whoever wants to take it to heart. Just like most on here don't understand that its not just Robbo who's at fault for the situations we've seen recently. Where's the crap aimed at Givet for not picking up Torres on his pointless run to the goal-line, or Samba for not picking him up?????? Perhaps Dunns comments where right. You will note I did say Brad was good, however, I think if you look at the stats for both Rovers and Villa, he does concede far too much from Free Kicks!! it illustrates that every keeper has a weakness, some on their left side, some on their right side, kicking, distribution, catching and most importantly decision making but to play at prem level they all should be good shot stoppers, important thing though a keeper needs confidence in his defence and vice versa, without that you get indecision and that costs goals>
Majiball Posted March 6, 2010 Posted March 6, 2010 You will note I did say Brad was good, however, I think if you look at the stats for both Rovers and Villa, he does concede far too much from Free Kicks!! it illustrates that every keeper has a weakness, some on their left side, some on their right side, kicking, distribution, catching and most importantly decision making but to play at prem level they all should be good shot stoppers, important thing though a keeper needs confidence in his defence and vice versa, without that you get indecision and that costs goals> Bingo.
CrazyIvan Posted March 6, 2010 Posted March 6, 2010 You'll miss him now he's gone down the road. (Quality paper this - well researched!) http://www.dailystar...to-Owen-Coyle-/ Hopefully you'll click on the link before the muppets notice the mistake and change the photo - otherwise you won't know what I'm banging on about! Idiots. Funny though...
Ozz Posted March 6, 2010 Posted March 6, 2010 You will note I did say Brad was good, however, I think if you look at the stats for both Rovers and Villa, he does concede far too much from Free Kicks!! it illustrates that every keeper has a weakness, some on their left side, some on their right side, kicking, distribution, catching and most importantly decision making but to play at prem level they all should be good shot stoppers, important thing though a keeper needs confidence in his defence and vice versa, without that you get indecision and that costs goals> Tombola.
Hasta Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Any news on whether Robbo will be ready for the Dingle Derby. For all his faults, I'd be much happy with him in the nets than big Jase.
47er Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 They give England caps away with a box of Shreddies these days, 40 caps for England means nothing. Is he getting picked now we have a decent manager, and Robinson's late-20's? Didn't think so. He sure does make mistakes because he has basic flaws to his game. £3.5 mill is a lot for a goalie, and we have no comparable outfield players for that money other than Grella and Kalinic, and that don't make that many mistakes. For £3.5 mill, I'd expect a higher level of competence. I agree they give England caps away too cheaply these days but not 40! If you get that many you've earned them.
modes98 Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 big Jase. Half his problem is he isn't big, well big enough. I haven't had the chance to watch all the game through yet but the second goal was awful and the third didn't look to good either. Bunn and Fielding are both playing well, if we can get either back and throw them in I think it would be an upgrade on Jason Brown.
tcj_jones Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Jason Brown is not good enough for the Premier League. Never has been, never will. I find it cringeworthy having a little fat guy standing between the sticks - he's 3 inches too short and about 6 inches too big on the waist. League One is probably this guys level. Oh God, and don't get me started on his kicking! I'm not exaggerating when I say that I can kick further than him (or at least I could before injuries weakened my hamstrings). I've not seen much of Bunn, but he has to be better than this guy. Any idea how long Robbo is out for?
Hughesy Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Fielding is our best ressie keeper and should be recalled and thrown into the mix now.
bennyboyt11 Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 I thought Bunn was meant to be playing brilliantly, surely he should be the one recalled (if possible)?
cn174 Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Frankie Fielding isn't as good as Mark Bunn nor Jason Brown.
Balwer Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Fielding is our best ressie keeper and should be recalled and thrown into the mix now. Disagree Hughesy. Robbo > Bunn > Brown > Fielding If Fielding were that good he'd be on loan at a playoff fringes Championship team. Got potential but far too raw.
Hughesy Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Frankie Fielding isn't as good as Mark Bunn nor Jason Brown. Why didnt Bunn make it into any england youth level then? Bunn has been inconsistent at Sheff Utd
LeChuck Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Why didnt Bunn make it into any england youth level then? Youth level means absolutely nothing, just ask Ciaran Donnelly. One is playing in the Championship and one is playing League Two...that tells you far more.
Hughesy Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Youth level means absolutely nothing, just ask Ciaran Donnelly. One is playing in the Championship and one is playing League Two...that tells you far more. One is top of the league - 31 goals in 35 games One is 9th - 49 goals in 36 games And?!
cn174 Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 One is top of the league - 31 goals in 35 games One is 9th - 49 goals in 36 games And?! Frankie has only played 8 games there this season, conceeded 5. Not a bad ratio, but for the other 2/3rds of the season he's played in our reserves. Except for when he went to Leeds, played 1 reserve game and come back.
bellamy11 Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 One is top of the league - 31 goals in 35 games One is 9th - 49 goals in 36 games And?! It's my hypothesis that goalkeeping is harder in the Championship. Seriously, anybody who has actually seen them play can say that Bunn and Brown are both better goalkeepers.
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