[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I think it should be kept. Simply because I think it's funny that you would go to all that trouble.

[tomphil]

All we can say here is in about 3 games time the same stuff will be goin on !

[PAFELL]

Your post suggests you are gutted that Blackburn Roves won v Arsenal today. You are naming teams you think will beat us? Did you name Arsenal this time yesterday? If you a really fan then stop what you are doing. Get behind our team.

Just because a poster does not rate the manager, does not mean they are not behind the team. I am chuffed to bits about yesterdays result, as I am with any rovers win.

But as the saying goes one swallow does not make a summer. Neither does one victory, even welcomed and unexpected, does not make a good manager. The first 20 minutes yesterday we were being torn apart by arsenal - which is not unusual in itself, as arsenal do that to a lot of teams. Going forward Arsenal are good. But in defence is where they are bad.

An unexpected, against the run of play, goal by Yakubu lifted both the team and the supporters, which was terrific. But even when it got to 4 2 to Rovers I was wanting that clock to run down fast. It seemed to drag on and on. I could not stop believing 'their going to blow it, their going to throw it away". Thankfully that did not happen.

As against Fulham, we were being exposed down the left and it seemed ages before Kean addressed that situation. Olsson should have been on from the beginning to offer support for Givet as well as to the forward players.

Great win, but one we escaped with. Arsenal had loads of chances, which a better team would have put away.

Football is a result based business and therefore Kean can only be judged on the results. I hope the team can build on from yesterday and not come down with a bump next week.

Do I have confidence in Kean? No, but it is down to him to change my view. But I do have confidence in the players. The fact that it is a young squad and therefore still learning, gives me hope.

[Tony Diamond Inc]

Anyone know where the smug - I told you so- emoticon is?

Kean 1 Tremblers 0

12 points in last 9 games eh...

[Tony Diamond Inc]

How about this one stat boys? (especially you Philipl, just to counter the outrageous Hodgson stat on this topic)

4 points from 2 games since Steve Kean has been able to put out HIS team, i.e. since the end of the transfer window.

Let's extrapolate...

That rate would see us amassing a further 66 points by the end of the season, finishing on 70 shiny points

Stats and spin belong together.

[47er]

How about this one stat boys? (especially you Philipl, just to counter the outrageous Hodgson stat on this topic)

4 points from 2 games since Steve Kean has been able to put out HIS team, i.e. since the end of the transfer window.

Let's extrapolate...

That rate would see us amassing a further 66 points by the end of the season, finishing on 70 shiny points

Stats and spin belong together.

Cocky after one game! How did this team only become "Kean's team" 2 games ago? Whose was it before that? Has there not been another transfer window?

You can extrapolate from the last 2 games all you want but 26 games is a more reliable indicator------for 26 points!

[Tony Diamond Inc]

Cocky after one game! How did this team only become "Kean's team" 2 games ago? Whose was it before that? Has there not been another transfer window?

You can extrapolate from the last 2 games all you want but 26 games is a more reliable indicator------for 26 points!

Yakubu, Rochina, Simon, Petrovic, Formica, Dann.

Kinda makes it Steve's team really

Cocky yes, I am absolutely loving shaking the tremblers.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Yakubu, Rochina, Simon, Petrovic, Formica, Dann.

Kinda makes it Steve's team really

Cocky yes, I am absolutely loving shaking the tremblers.

Wonder if you will be so cocky if Rovers fail to get any off-side goals or own goals against the opposition in their next few games?

Let's be truthful here, without them yesterday we would have lost.

[Uddersfelt Blue]

Wonder if you will be so cocky if Rovers fail to get any off-side goals or own goals against the opposition in their next few games?

Let's be truthful here, without them yesterday we would have lost.

Yes let's be truthful RVR

Regardless of whether we believe Kean to be a capable Premier League manager or not, the team he put out yesterday beat a team that have far bigger resources than Rovers. So let's give the management team some credit eh?

Yes, there is still a lot to work on, understandable when we have so many new players and slowly moving from the old guard of Emerton, Dunny, Pedersen, Roberts, Nelsen and Co.

For the time being, we are still in a precarious position but it is clear that there is not going to be a change of manager any time soon so let's hope we can move forward albeit a few small steps at a time and see what happens over the next few games.

[roversmum]

By the very nature of winning we exposed a weakness.

According to most we are a club in crisis...yet we won. People fail to be mentioning that though.

Yes, like the weakness we had with a makeshift defence for the Wolves game.

Don't forget the crisis. Crisis at the Academy - not. Crisis at the Senior Training Centre - not. Crisis at Ewood - not. Hhmm.

Wonder if you will be so cocky if Rovers fail to get any off-side goals or own goals against the opposition in their next few games?

Let's be truthful here, without them yesterday we would have lost.

No we wouldn't, they just got in the way of some cracking goals...

[BRFC1995]

outragous good fortune against arsenal, outside of yakubu not looking too bad there is'nt a great deal to make me think steve kean is now tactically sound and will do more than lose the next match.

Record is still appalling........and he has to go just for the smarmy suck up to the owners personality he has that makes my skin crawl, still a horrible little man and terrible manager of rovers.

[Andy]

Yakubu, Rochina, Simon, Petrovic, Formica, Dann.

Kinda makes it Steve's team really

Cocky yes, I am absolutely loving shaking the tremblers.

You'll be quick enough to disappear if Newcastle turn us over in the next league match.

Good result yesterday, but let's not be getting carried away.

The anti-Kean element are judging him on poor results over 9 months, let's not start blowing smoke up his backside after one win.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

You'll be quick enough to disappear if Newcastle turn us over in the next league match.

Good result yesterday, but let's not be getting carried away.

The anti-Kean element are judging him on poor results over 9 months, let's not start blowing smoke up his backside after one win.

Too true - I am not anti-Kean - but he still hasn't won me over (as much as enjoyed yesterday).

On the bright side - you could argue we are now on a points total you could expect after an average start to the season.

Wolves - injuries apart - we would have expected 3 points

Aston Villa - 0 points

Everton - they have a reasonable record - prior to season I would have expected a point

Fulham - another away match - 0 points

Arsenal - given their record at Ewood - 0 points

So, irrespective of manager, would would have 4 points. So for all the faults we can see - yesterdays match has brought us back into the ball park points total for an average start.

Though we got the rub of the green yesterday - I think you could argue with a bit more luck we would have beaten Everton and got a point against Wolves. Ifs and buts etc. - but some hope for the future. The problems in the team are glaringly obvious - maybe it is players not following instructions - or maybe the team needs tweaking.

One thing Keans desperately needs to do - get Hoilett to sign that damned contract - so far been the longest 24 hours in history.

[PAFELL]

Yakubu, Rochina, Simon, Petrovic, Formica, Dann.

Kinda makes it Steve's team really

Cocky yes, I am absolutely loving shaking the tremblers.

Yes four welcomed points. I v a bad fulham side and 3 v arsenals very bad defence. Against a better side yesterday, especially down the left, we would have been slaughtered.

Credit where it is due though. It was an outstanding result v Arsenal. It is down to Kean to build on the past two results. Down to him to win the supporters round. It is not down to the supporters to win Kean round.

Ok hopefully he got the message yesterday that there are many who are not happy with the results since he has been the manager - which he carries the can for. Kean talked about the 99% who were behind him. Well if that is true, it really is a bad reflection, if 99% of the supporters are happy with a string of bad results that we have had under Kean.

I hope like many of us that the team, as well as Kean, can build upon yesterday's result. There was fight and determination with the players. But those who do not support Kean do not have a problem with the players - this has been said countless times. The concern is Kean.

I will be honest and say that if he comes through this flack nad pressure he has received and the team pick up the points, then credit will have to be given.

It is down to him now to produce.

[dopper69]

Wolves - injuries apart - we would have expected 3 points

Aston Villa - 0 points

Everton - they have a reasonable record - prior to season I would have expected a point

Fulham - another away match - 0 points

Arsenal - given their record at Ewood - 0 points

To be honest, that is not a bad way of looking at where we find ourselves in the league today.

From those five matches could the previous management have managed a better points tally? I'm not so sure they would actually.

[Rover_Shaun]

Is the sack Kean poll going to be reset after this win? Or is it just hapless defeats that resets the kean-o-meter

[Glenn]

I'm in the process of doing it, but as people accused me of having an anti-Kean agenda for simply locking the old thread and creating a new one, it's take me more time!

Anyway, results before the reset are ....

Sack him NOW (605 votes [85.94%] )Give him more time (99 votes [14.06%])

[roverandout]

funny how the pro-kean camp are out in force, doesnt change the last 9 months of absolute garbage and still doesnt change my stance about him, one win does not make a season.

[Emge]

Delighted with the win yesterday, but surely people cant let 3 quite lucky points change what we have seen so far in 2011??

We have alot of talent in the squad, and with a decent manager we could easily join the top 10, but Stevie Kean is a COACH and NOT a manager.

So im sticking with "KEAN OUT" !!!

[DE.]

I still want him out... one good result yesterday does not erase 9 months of failure.

We have got a decent squad now, so it would be a shame if they never got the chance to work under a proper manager. Kean is by all accounts a very good coach, but that's the role he should stick to.

For the time being it's all irrelevant though... after tomorrow's win he ain't going anywhere any time soon.

[Mattyblue]

What's the point?

He will not be sacked win, lose or draw.

[XLM]

funny how the pro-kean camp are out in force

I don't think there is such a thing, people are just happier after a win. Win matches and pressure on the manager lessens. Plus it was basically impossible to post anything other than "donut out" without being shot down, whether it be pro or just not-so-anti Kean.

The win doesn't change much for me, we were crap in the first half, much better in the second and beat what is still a decent side. We got a fair amount of luck (the 2nd own goal would have been Yakubu's hat-trick anyway though) but no more than the bad luck we had against Everton. Swings and roundabouts. We now have about as many points as we've deserved from the first 5 games (probably deserved 5, but hey-ho), not considering injuries, transfers etc, just performances. Kean deserves more time, just as I said he did a week ago. We could have turned a corner now with all the new faces in, players back and 2 great results. Get behind the team and see how we do.

If the results go sour again then it's probably best for all concerned if Kean goes. But you can't blame him for the bad and give him no credit for the good, you just make yourself look like a numbskull.

[EDIT] On the coach v manager debate, I thought a lot that have been complaining about him and/or Venkys were complaining that he was basically a coach, like in Italy with somebody else being in charge of the transfers. What else is different between the 2 roles? Not a right lot.

[Ste B]

I'm in the process of doing it, but as people accused me of having an anti-Kean agenda for simply locking the old thread and creating a new one, it's take me more time!

Anyway, results before the reset are ....

Sack him NOW (605 votes [85.94%] )Give him more time (99 votes [14.06%])

I've removed the old votes so that people who voted on the old thread can do so again - took a bit of messing about, so you may have noticed i've had to reset it again.

[chris]

sorry gone for give more time I don't like him in interviews or his record but whats the point in getting on his back when Venkys love him, he has to hang himself and we are 14th.

I feel the protest was justifed and Kean a smug git, but bottom line, we beat Arsenal.

My main reason for changing my vote is purely the owners I have watched this mornings interview, hugging, waving, proud of a young, entertaining team, they are more convinced then ever Kean is the right man.

I really think the owners are honest nice people, and should they have to sack Kean eventually they will but not at the moment.

Gong to go back to what I said before the season and judge after 10 games.

I'm happy for time to judge Kean now.

I hope attention can come away from Kean for a bit because I'm bored of looking at his smug face and want to support the team.

[Veevs]

How about this one stat boys? (especially you Philipl, just to counter the outrageous Hodgson stat on this topic)

4 points from 2 games since Steve Kean has been able to put out HIS team, i.e. since the end of the transfer window.

Let's extrapolate...

That rate would see us amassing a further 66 points by the end of the season, finishing on 70 shiny points

Stats and spin belong together.

HIS team was the one that started the game yesterday and would of got utterly stuffed... tactics wise we should of started with the team we had in the second half when Rochina went off and we finally had the cover on the left, surely even you have to admit that we needed to support the fullbacks especially against a team like Arsenal? We rode our luck in the first half but we really have to get our tactics right from the first minute.