Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[Forever Blue]

Seen Norwich, Rangers and Celtic linked with Dolan. 
 

 

[Exiled_Rover]

20 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Sorry. Seven is decent imo.

Think Hedges has scored seven in four seasons at the Club.

That's probably the sort of standard that will be coming in to replace Dolan.

If his decision making was better I'd be happy with 7 from a wide man with Dolan's skill set. He works his socks off and can hold up the ball, but he doesn't stretch the field. 

Hedges is a L1 player at best.

Edited Saturday at 19:17 by Exiled_Rover

[Exiled_Rover]

10 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

'Derby/Boro get 27k at home, our fans don't come, that's why players leave and they pay more'

Is the standard club defence mechanism for the deluded masses. 

Pointless pointing out Dolan was a first team player a few years ago earning £325 a week whilst this club has thrown £20k a week one or two year deals at the likes of Downing/Rodwell etc now Cantwell for very little in return.

That isn't investment, the likes of Dolan are.

Is he going to turn down even a two grand a week pay rise two years ago to stay on his current money to the end of his deal and just write off £200k so he can walk out into the unknown ?

Is he bollocks but if people want to swallow that more fool them.

He's been lowballed initially, changed agent and they've asked for big money, the usual stand off has happened, Broughton has left and its been shelved. SwagHail have eyed a bit of compo and the chance to swerve handing out a good contract.

And here we are another asset worth a few million off on another sideways journey.

Again, Broughton tried to re-up him and Dolan billy-big-balled him.

He's left a lot of money on the table the last two years because he's backed himself to do better. Let's see how it plays out for him. 

[Exiled_Rover]

41 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Seen Norwich, Rangers and Celtic linked with Dolan. 
 

 

I genuinely think the Celtic and Rangers fans would eat him alive, but he'd earn a fair whack. 

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, joey_big_nose said:

My theory is Dolan is relatively close with BBD, Lenihan, Rothwell and discussed the huge financial upside on going on a free with them. Decided hed rather go for that rather than say an extra 3k-4k a week... Over two years 4k a week is about 400k. He might be able to get a 1M signing fee plus a much higher salary on a free.

The issue is we've created the case studies to make going on a free almost the sensible choice for any aspirational player.

Entirely plausible but the name of the game for players is make as much as you can as quick as you can, short career and all that so there is no way he's snubbing 2/3/400k in lost money to gamble on a big signing on fee 2 years later.

I just cannot for the life of me see that happening and there'd be no need for it either you'd just instruct your agent to come up with something that suited both parties and take the instant pay rise.

What if he's best pals with Nyambe ?  Surely he'd get the opposite advice.

There will always be players who slip away for nowt but it's like it's part of model here now its happened that much.

There are a couple of common denominators and they hold ultimate responsibility for some of it if not all.

Edited Saturday at 20:02 by Tomphil2

[Tomphil2]

3 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Again, Broughton tried to re-up him and Dolan billy-big-balled him.

He's left a lot of money on the table the last two years because he's backed himself to do better. Let's see how it plays out for him. 

 

I don't recall Broughton saying we've made him a great offer it's up to him now etc etc, if i'm right he just said the whole thing is on hold because Dolan is changing agent but i expect it to be concluded in December (2023).

And that was it i don't think they've tried very hard at all to keep him because like other players they couldn't at that point commit to a good long term contract.

Maybe Gestede has made a big last ditch attempt but it's nothing more than a token gesture now and all along i think knowing what we know of the penny wise pound foolish Suhail he'll have been eyeing compo and the chance to swerve a 15k a week commitment.

Edited Saturday at 22:22 by Tomphil2

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

If his decision making was better I'd be happy with 7 from a wide man with Dolan's skill set. He works his socks off and can hold up the ball, but he doesn't stretch the field. 

Hedges is a L1 player at best.

His decision making is his major failing. He gets as many wrong as he gets right. He “ doesn’t know when to stick and when to twist “.

Edited 20 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[1864roverite]

Players don’t often get signing on fees outside of the big leagues they are built into contracts and the longer they stay the more they get ! TD is slightly dreaming if he thinks he’s gonna walk into a PL squad he just hasn’t got the ability - he may get a choice of championship clubs but really are they better options than staying? I don’t think so personally 

[roversfan99]

He is if the clubs in question have any ambition and are offering him a reasonable wage.

We I am pretty sure could have got him signed long ago had we offered him a decent wage.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

He is if the clubs in question have any ambition and are offering him a reasonable wage.

We I am pretty sure could have got him signed long ago had we offered him a decent wage.

Gregg Broughton tried to get him to sign a new contract more than 2 years ago and we couldn't. 

[roversfan99]

Yeah, probably because the wage offered was rubbish.

Offering him 10p a week is "trying to get him to sign a new contract."

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yeah, probably because the wage offered was rubbish.

Offering him 10p a week is "trying to get him to sign a new contract."

do you know what wage GB offer him or just more speculation from you? given the number of contracts he got Players to sign suggested the wage offered was rubbish from yourself is wide of the mark. 

Maybe Dolan decide 2 years he wanted to test the water and have a choice of clubs he wants 

[roversfan99]

I think weve seen enough from how we have been run under Venkys to be able to make a reasonable assumption.

Broughton was proactive in terms of getting players to sign new deals, but the players he was able to get signed up tended to be ones that were seemingly pretty easy to do.

If you genuinely think that we likely offered Dolan a competitive Championship wage then again I suspect quite a bit of naivety.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

I think weve seen enough from how we have been run under Venkys to be able to make a reasonable assumption.

Broughton was proactive in terms of getting players to sign new deals, but the players he was able to get signed up tended to be ones that were seemingly pretty easy to do.

If you genuinely think that we likely offered Dolan a competitive Championship wage then again I suspect quite a bit of naivety.

GB's comments from September 2023 on Dolan's contract latest

Gregg Broughton reveals latest on Dolan contract talks | Lancashire Telegraph

do you know what we offered in wages in the contract talks or not? its a simple question, care to answer it please? 

[wilsdenrover]

We offered a sum which Dolan wasn’t willing to accept.

So either we’re cheapskates or he is greedy.

Which seems most likely…

[roversfan99]

31 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

GB's comments from September 2023 on Dolan's contract latest

Gregg Broughton reveals latest on Dolan contract talks | Lancashire Telegraph

do you know what we offered in wages in the contract talks or not? its a simple question, care to answer it please? 

Again, I know he said that! I have never once said that he didnt or even that we havent offered him a new contract. Im sure we have.

And no, nobody knows the exact wage that was offered, so stop being pedantic. But it was clearly not sufficient enough for him to agree to sign it.

Merely offering a player a new deal doesnt make the club automatically blameless. It clearly wasnt a good enough offer.

[Exiled_Rover]

50 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

We offered a sum which Dolan wasn’t willing to accept.

So either we’re cheapskates or he is greedy.

Which seems most likely…

He's on record as saying he wants to play in the Premier League, so it's pretty clear he vastly overrates his own ability. 

I'd suggest it was a fair offer for a 21 year old player, but he wanted parity with more established, better players and so talks broke down. 

[roversfan99]

As still a young player, "I dont think I can ever play at the top level and I have settled for a career of mediocrity" would neither make a good soundbite, strengthen his negotiating position nor make him very attractive to anyone.

If he goes to another Championship player he will definitely get a competitive Championship wage there so it suggests that if that is what he has asked for, its a reasonable request.

[rigger]

24 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He's on record as saying he wants to play in the Premier League, so it's pretty clear he vastly overrates his own ability. 

I'd suggest it was a fair offer for a 21 year old player, but he wanted parity with more established, better players and so talks broke down. 

He might make the Scottish Premier League

[jim mk2]

Dolan in the Times article on Friday refers to us several times as "Blackburn", not Rovers. He doesn't understand this club

Sell

[Tomphil2]

3 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

We offered a sum which Dolan wasn’t willing to accept.

So either we’re cheapskates or he is greedy.

Which seems most likely…

As always the truth will be somewhere in the middle but the cast iron evidence shows this keeps on happening here these days.

It goes totally against the model they keep saying they are running, it is counterproductive in the long run and costs more in replacements and lost transfer income than it would in a decent first offer to get a better chance of a good outcome.

[Tomphil2]

2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Dolan in the Times article on Friday refers to us several times as "Blackburn", not Rovers. He doesn't understand this club

Sell

He's referred to us as Rovers in the local article ever thought it might be The Times copy that alters things ?

He isn't for sale he's free at the end of June.

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said:

He's referred to us as Rovers in the local article ever thought it might be The Times copy that alters things ?

He isn't for sale he's free at the end of June.

They’re direct quotes from him. 

[NeilInBristol]

1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said:

As always the truth will be somewhere in the middle but the cast iron evidence shows this keeps on happening here these days.

It goes totally against the model they keep saying they are running, it is counterproductive in the long run and costs more in replacements and lost transfer income than it would in a decent first offer to get a better chance of a good outcome.

Agreed. They could have sold him last year or the year before if so wished. They kept him on and hoped he would sign another deal for cheap/low wage

[Tomphil2]

13 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

Agreed. They could have sold him last year or the year before if so wished. They kept him on and hoped he would sign another deal for cheap/low wage

Exactly but they don't give a toss and they get paid anyway whether he leaves for a fee or walks for nothing, club suffers but they don't.

They don't support it and get the same rewards the season after whether the team finishes 6th or 16th.