Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[Mashed Potatoes]

31 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Yes, if players are not with a new club by the time their contracts expire on 30th June, their old club pays their wage until the end of July or until the player signs up with a new club, whichever comes sooner

Even if the player has been offered a new contract on no worse terms ?

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Even if the player has been offered a new contract on no worse terms ?

yes

 

If I remember correctly, the main purpose of this rule/law is to protect injured players during the off season, but the wording/ambiguous nature of it means that players can and do use it to mean they can shop around for a better deal for longer without being without pay

Edited 21 hours ago by KentExile

[Eddie]

35 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But surely it shows that the contract offered 2 years ago was not at the level it should have been. Why would anyone agree to a pay rise if that pay rise was still up to a wage well below what similar players would expect to receive at this level, and then he would be tied to that amount for multiple years.

Just using random figures, I am not saying these are reflective. But say he was on £2k and was offered £6k for 5 years. And the average regular Championship winger is on £12k. You wouldnt tie yourself down when your rise would still have you well below the average.

Also, I might be wrong. But dont players get a months worth of pay following the expiry of a contract?

To the final part, yes, but he is still only getting his low salary that he signed up for years ago.

As for the part about not accepting the contract two years ago, it is difficult to justify. Let's use your figures and say that it was a 4,000 a week raise, that's a difference of over 100,000 pounds over the 2 1/2ish years since that offer was rumoured to be on the table. There's also a solid chance that he is currently on less than 2,000 a week and that his new offer was more than 6,000. 

Now, in the world of football, it's easy to turn your nose up at 'just' 100,000 more. But based on what Dolan is earning at the moment, that's a huge difference in income. 

We also assume that his current salary is irrelevant for any future contract negotiations, but there's a chance that he's now receiving offers where the interested club says, 'we know you are only on 2,000 a week now, so 10,000 a week is a huge raise and a fair offer'.

He was dumb not to take a higher offer before, and he has put himself in a weaker position as a result. 

[RevidgeBlue]

51 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Yes, if players are not with a new club by the time their contracts expire on 30th June, their old club pays their wage until the end of July or until the player signs up with a new club, whichever comes sooner

Ah, well that probably explains him taking his time then. After the end of the month it becomes a bit more pressing for him.

So from our point of view our failure to offer him a reasonable deal means we lose a good player, possibly for nothing if he moves abroad, AND we have to pay him for an extra month for nothing?

Genius!

[roversfan99]

29 minutes ago, Eddie said:

To the final part, yes, but he is still only getting his low salary that he signed up for years ago.

As for the part about not accepting the contract two years ago, it is difficult to justify. Let's use your figures and say that it was a 4,000 a week raise, that's a difference of over 100,000 pounds over the 2 1/2ish years since that offer was rumoured to be on the table. There's also a solid chance that he is currently on less than 2,000 a week and that his new offer was more than 6,000. 

Now, in the world of football, it's easy to turn your nose up at 'just' 100,000 more. But based on what Dolan is earning at the moment, that's a huge difference in income. 

We also assume that his current salary is irrelevant for any future contract negotiations, but there's a chance that he's now receiving offers where the interested club says, 'we know you are only on 2,000 a week now, so 10,000 a week is a huge raise and a fair offer'.

He was dumb not to take a higher offer before, and he has put himself in a weaker position as a result. 

But if he now gets a £15k a week contract, which isnt unrealistic for someone who has been a Championship regular for years, then its 2 years £2k a week and then say 4 years at £15k.

It isnt "dumb" to reject a contract at lower than his worth just because its more than the tiny contract he was already on.

I am not even saying that its definitely the right decision. But declining our offer doesnt make him this greedy, badly advised money grabber that many fans seem keen to prematurely label him as. The club will be happy with that reputation though.

If he gets a Championship move or a move abroad on a competitive wage, then I would say his decision has been justified.

[Tomphil2]

22 hours ago, islander200 said:

If a championship club is taking him they will be trying to agree a fee with Rovers rather than letting it go to tribunal .He won't be a "free" for a championship club 

With the amount of appearances made it will easily be over a million if it goes to tribunal more if someone is offering Dolan a decent contract as his salary at his new club will be taken into account If the tribunal are setting his price 

People can't seem to get to grips it isn't as straightforwards as just saying ta ta walking away and signing for the first club to slap a better paid contract in front of him.

You can sense the desire to see him going to Wigan for 5k a week just so it's 'i told you so'  🤣

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

But if he now gets a £15k a week contract, which isnt unrealistic for someone who has been a Championship regular for years, then its 2 years £2k a week and then say 4 years at £15k.

It isnt "dumb" to reject a contract at lower than his worth just because its more than the tiny contract he was already on.

I am not even saying that its definitely the right decision. But declining our offer doesnt make him this greedy, badly advised money grabber that many fans seem keen to prematurely label him as. The club will be happy with that reputation though.

If he gets a Championship move or a move abroad on a competitive wage, then I would say his decision has been justified.

I would guess that our offer 2-2 1/2 years ago wasn't lower than he was worth at the time. He was only just breaking into the first team. 

It's a big hypothetical on the 15,000. As is the guess that we only offered 6,000 and that he was already making 2,000. But, sure, we can come up with numbers that somewhat justify the decision to actively earn less for over 2 years. 

But you would have to go hard to convince me that he wouldn't be better off on a higher sum here, with one year left on a deal, established in a decent Championship club, and positioning himself for either a move this summer (seemingly there wouldn't be demand) or moving on a free in 12 months after he had really built a reputation. 

This isn't even factoring in the possibility that he could have had a serious injury at any point in the last 2 seasons and significantly reduced his future earning potential. 

Players should almost always take the contract 2/3 years before their current deal runs out as they still maintain all of the power to demand a new one or manufacture a move. It's why our inability to get players to sign new deals 2/3 years out is such a strong indicator of how poorly run the club is. 

[KentExile]

22 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I would guess that our offer 2-2 1/2 years ago wasn't lower than he was worth at the time. He was only just breaking into the first team. 

I think your mind is playing tricks on you.  2-2.5 years ago, he had ben a regular in rovers first team for a couple of years & had played over 3000 minutes for us in the Championship alone (probably closer to 4000)

 

Edited 19 hours ago by KentExile

[Hasta]

More money this. More money that. Maybe, like JDT and Eustace, they just don't like the people running the club and don't want to be here. 

See Batth, Brittain, Weiman and I suspect the remaining contract expiree's

A functioning club not run by idiots that are doing their best to get into the Premier League will be a big carrot for any championship regular at Ewood.

Edited 18 hours ago by Hasta

[RevidgeBlue]

I doubt if there's ever been so much speculation on a topic without anyone knowing any of the relevant figures involved.

Of course Rovers are bound to be offering him a fair deal and it must just be down to Dolan being greedy.

Same as with Rothwell/Lenihan/Nyambe/Brereton/Brittain/Travis/Tronstad/Batth/ Weimannetc.

We've obviously just got very unlucky.

10 times.

(Edited)

Edited 18 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[wilsdenrover]

5 hours ago, KentExile said:

Yes, if players are not with a new club by the time their contracts expire on 30th June, their old club pays their wage until the end of July or until the player signs up with a new club, whichever comes sooner

We had the option (1 of 4 available) to stop paying Dolan on expiry of his contract but this would have meant no compensation being due.

Can we be certain our financially incompetent board wouldn’t have made this choice??

edited to add - paying his wage to the end of July (or until he joined another club if sooner) only applies if we hadn’t offered him a new contract.

Edited 16 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I doubt if there's ever been so much speculation on a topic without anyone knowing any of the relevant figures involved.

We kind of do. He did go public about what he was on when he first joined Rovers and how his next contract wasn't an exponential increase. 

We do also have a report from the club in Turkey that, whilst unsubstantiated, may give an indication of what he now feels he is worth. 

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, KentExile said:

I think your mind is playing tricks on you.  2-2.5 years ago, he had ben a regular in rovers first team for a couple of years & had played over 3000 minutes for us in the Championship alone (probably closer to 4000)

 

I probably worded it poorly, but by breaking into the first team, I don't mean the squad itself, but actually becoming a consistent figure in the first 11. Even in 22/23, he played in nearly every match, but he was a sub for 19 of those appearances. 

It was only in the last 2 seasons that he was really first choice for his position and considered an integral part of our plans and system. 

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

But if he now gets a £15k a week contract, which isnt unrealistic for someone who has been a Championship regular for years, then its 2 years £2k a week and then say 4 years at £15k.

It isnt "dumb" to reject a contract at lower than his worth just because its more than the tiny contract he was already on.

I am not even saying that its definitely the right decision. But declining our offer doesnt make him this greedy, badly advised money grabber that many fans seem keen to prematurely label him as. The club will be happy with that reputation though.

If he gets a Championship move or a move abroad on a competitive wage, then I would say his decision has been justified.

who is going to offer Dolan a multi year 15k contract and why hasn't been sign up by anyone yet? 

why didn't he have a club line up? 

 

 

[roversfan99]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

who is going to offer Dolan a multi year 15k contract and why hasn't been sign up by anyone yet? 

why didn't he have a club line up? 

 

 

That was a hypothetical situation that youve taken out of context. 

Because he is a greedy big headed agent driven dickhead who the club simply could have done nothing more to keep. That seems to be the sentence you are looking for.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

That was a hypothetical situation that youve taken out of context. 

Because he is a greedy big headed agent driven dickhead who the club simply could have done nothing more to keep. That seems to be the sentence you are looking for.

Neither said his agent was greedy or dickhead or big headed did I? Out of context here. 

But an agent should be attracting offers for him for months

They seem a lack of offers out there for him which I am surprised myself RF99. 

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

who is going to offer Dolan a multi year 15k contract and why hasn't been sign up by anyone yet? 

why didn't he have a club line up? 

 

 

Probably because they'd have to agree adequate compensation first and if they can't they risk getting stung at tribunal.

15k a week over 3 years might be agreeable but not if it comes with a 1.5 or 2 million fee as well.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said:

Probably because they'd have to agree adequate compensation first and if they can't they risk getting stung at tribunal.

15k a week over 3 years might be agreeable but not if it comes with a 1.5 or 2 million fee as well.

Not for overseas club which I read he wants. For a Championship club a couple of millions plus 15k a week over 3 years is the going rate isn't it? 

It's been 18 days since he left us officially and since no club

[USABlue]

Reality setting in for the lad.  Too bad.  Agents doin?  Who knows.  I think he expected to be having to knock teams off with a stick.  Might end up begging a bit.