Season tickets 2023-24 - what could/should be offered ?

[MarkBRFC]

He will be on this gravy train for years, I have no doubt about that.

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, Doogs said:

Maybe Rovers fans are just fickle. Look back to the 70s. We have always struggled to increase the gates...

Our fan base isn’t unique, we’re the same as everyone else.

That being said, we do seem to have a fair few fans, such as yourself, keen to give us a kicking for some reason….

[Mattyblue]

It is rare on this board, but Doogs is fairly representative of a big chunk of our fans away from here. 

As an example, when back in my seat in August, if I mention our crowds/prices to the folk around me, pretty much to a man I’ll be told it’s because ‘we have shit support’.
 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Doogs said:

Maybe Rovers fans are just fickle. Look back to the 70s. We have always struggled to increase the gates...

2nd place as well as 1st for worst post on the thread, congratulations Steve!

[JHRover]

He's not from anywhere near Blackburn, as far as I'm aware has nothing but a professional interest in the Club and I understand spends a great deal of time at his base in Kent.

He's 69 this year. So well past the average and state pension age.

You might think that someone that age, doing what you might think is a tough, stressful, high pressure job, would reach their late 60s, after having done it for years beforehand, and factoring it all in, travel, age, stress, decide it just isn't worth it anymore and retire.

The fact he hasn't and it seems isn't tells me a couple of things. The perks of the job are too great to give up - the cash/profile of it - and/or the costs of doing it actually aren't that onerous and no problem to manage at an age where many would be knackered and ready to pack in.

I don't think he's alone. There are many more like him in similar positions of 'power' be that politics, media, football. Like to think they've got positions of great pressure/responsibility yet curiously content to keep going into their 70s and beyond.

Normal people especially those well paid would be retired in a shot.

[M_B]

5 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

15k Bolton and 11k PNE currently.

That Bolton figure for yet another season in the third division is now higher than some of their Premier League seasons (wonder if price has owt to do with it?)

Just out of interest, and by way of debate, how many Rovers fans do you think are staying away because of Venkys ownership? 

In their case, obviously price wouldn't make any difference,no matter how low. If we've got 5000 say, in that category, then that would obviously affect the take up. 

Just from day to day conversation whilst out and about working, I could be well under with that figure. 

Edited June 8, 2023 by M_B

[goozburger]

8 minutes ago, M_B said:

Just out of interest, and by way of debate, how many Rovers fans do you think are staying away because of Venkys ownership?

There are probably two sub-groups there.

1. Those who will never forgive them for their disastrous running of the club, and simply will not return while they are in charge.
2. Those who will forgive them if they can see a semblance of a normal-run club again.

How many are in each group is hard to tell, but there will be a good few thousand or more in the second group that can be recovered. The club needs to respect supporters more in terms of season ticket prices, and we need to see how the new staff handle transfer windows from here forward. Only those two points would see us get thousands more season ticket holders back, rather than the hundreds which our CEO is hailing as a success.

[Mattyblue]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

Just out of interest, and by way of debate, how many Rovers fans do you think are staying away because of Venkys ownership? 

In their case, obviously price wouldn't make any difference,no matter how low. If we've got 5000 say, in that category, then that would obviously affect the take up. 

Just from day to day conversation whilst out and about working, I could be well under with that figure. 

Many thousands walked away as a direct consequence of their behaviour between 2010 and 2012… but of the ones that have never returned, how many are still making a conscious decision to stay away because of the owners and would ergo be straight to the ticket office buying a ST tomorrow if they sold this evening? Very, very few, most of them are just simply long out the habit.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Doogs]

7 hours ago, Hasta said:

As @BigUts says, we weren't fickle in 2009 when we got our highest season ticket sales since 1995 purely based on a £100 price drop. 

We'd been in the same division for several years and had just had a relatively mediocre season.

 

We was also in the Premier Leauge then. But your right the gates did increase..

[Doogs]

Should Rovers get back I the Premier League, the gates would increase overnight regardless of the price....Just like they did I 1992....

[Doogs]

4 hours ago, goozburger said:

There are probably two sub-groups there.

1. Those who will never forgive them for their disastrous running of the club, and simply will not return while they are in charge.
2. Those who will forgive them if they can see a semblance of a normal-run club again.

How many are in each group is hard to tell, but there will be a good few thousand or more in the second group that can be recovered. The club needs to respect supporters more in terms of season ticket prices, and we need to see how the new staff handle transfer windows from here forward. Only those two points would see us get thousands more season ticket holders back, rather than the hundreds which our CEO is hailing as a success.

None...Folk are staying away for two reasons...Cost, and the fact we are no longer in the Premier League...

[Mattyblue]

Some fans will only come if we are in the PL (like every club), cost is also a big part of the current low sales - pretty much everybody else on here agrees with those two points, Doogs… so not sure why you’ve been saying the opposite for days.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Mattyblue]

It is the only issue stopping us increasing sales to a PNE level of 12k or so. 

But of course the reason we don’t see 18-20k of ST sales anymore is obviously because we aren’t in the PL - but nobody here expects that, just that mere modest raise to 12k or so which is eminently possible if priced sensibly.
 

Edited June 8, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Sweaty Gussets]

This was Sharpe's reply to someone asking about ST's today, and what Waggott's remit is.

 

[goozburger]

21 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

This was Sharpe's reply to someone asking about ST's today, and what Waggott's remit is.

Nothing we didn't already know.

If we had 3,000 or 4,000 more season ticket holders in the stadium and it brought in less revenue, that could be the difference between finishing outside of the play-offs on goal difference, or getting into them and getting a financial boost to make up for it. All we needed was one more point, and there were a few things that could have turned it for us in the end. Having a louder twelfth man/woman could have been that difference.

[Sweaty Gussets]

4 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Nothing we didn't already know.

If we had 3,000 or 4,000 more season ticket holders in the stadium and it brought in less revenue, that could be the difference between finishing outside of the play-offs on goal difference, or getting into them and getting a financial boost to make up for it. All we needed was one more point, and there were a few things that could have turned it for us in the end. Having a louder twelfth man/woman could have been that difference.

Aye, aware of all that, just posting it for those who want to know why ST's aren't being reduced and what the thinking is. 

[goozburger]

Season Ticket Estimate

Latest: 8,079 (+7)

Notes:

• The estimate is based upon the total number of saleable seats to home supporters (18,210), minus the amount of unavailable (sold) seats.
• (+xx) represents the difference in season ticket sales from the previous estimate (usually 24 hours).
• 159 seats in block W01 are marked as unavailable (sold), but are not saleable due to being cordoned-off. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• 376 seats for supporters requiring ground-level font-row access are marked as unavailable (sold), but appear to be block-reserved rather than fully sold. These are therefore excluded from the season ticket estimate.
• A seat is marked as unavailable for up to 28 minutes when added to the basket. It is not possible to exclude these from the estimate.

[Mattyblue]

SEVEN! 🎉

‘The purchase rate is the best in five years’ - Swag’s letter to Glen.

 

[Gav]

15 hours ago, Doogs said:

Should Rovers get back I the Premier League, the gates would increase overnight regardless of the price....Just like they did I 1992....

Yep.

Success on the pitch brings fans through the gates, regardless of season tickets sold, simple as that.

Im surprised the number sold is as high as it is after Greg told the Telegraph we have no funds available to buy players….

Edited June 9, 2023 by Gav

[Mattyblue]

Not as simple as that at all, as the last two seasons have shown, we’ve spent pretty much two seasons in the top 6, yet home numbers have still struggled to move at all before the run in and even then we’ve struggled to get over 14k or so home fans in  - why? because we’ve only had 7-9k ST holders.

However, you reduce prices of STs, crowds are inflated for the entire season, regardless of League position as your base support in the ground is now higher - as repeatedly shown elsewhere. So if you now you have those inflated ST numbers AND you are at the top end of the table, suddenly you see *big* crowds again in the run-in as increased walk ons add to an already increased ST base.

If we went up, it’s a totally different issue as we’d be selling a shed load of STs anyway, so crowds go up by a shed load - it’s as simple as that.

Edited June 9, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Guest]

20 hours ago, Doogs said:

None...Folk are staying away for two reasons...Cost, and the fact we are no longer in the Premier League...

One of those things is substantially easier to remedy than the other, and may even help contribute to it.

[rigger]

Just recieved another E-mail about season tickets. They have corrected the Bolton statement of earlier, and are now advertising the price per game, as this may seem a better deal to some, rather than the lump sum. They really have no idea who they are trying to persuade.

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

Just recieved another E-mail about season tickets. They have corrected the Bolton statement of earlier, and are now advertising the price per game, as this may seem a better deal to some, rather than the lump sum. They really have no idea who they are trying to persuade.

Maybe I’m now being over critical but they could have justified the text (even if they can’t justify the prices 😁).

[Upside Down]

On 08/06/2023 at 21:19, K-Hod said:

Our fan base isn’t unique, we’re the same as everyone else.

That being said, we do seem to have a fair few fans, such as yourself, keen to give us a kicking for some reason….

Maybe its fans like him that are the 'shit' ones?

[JHRover]

Second half of last season we were regularly getting 6000+ non season ticket holders attending league games 

It seems the club has absolutely failed in securing any net gain in converting a reasonable portion of those numbers into additional season tickets.

Some will, but just about enough to offset the alarming numbers who haven't renewed.

Waggott not arsed in the slightest about this because numbers are 'steady' and most importantly revenue up.

If he's lucky JDT will replicate and have us top 6 all season again in which case overall numbers might hold at 14000+.

But mid-table or a relegation struggle = sub 10000 gates and embarrassment.

The good news is we've a few 'giants' to roll out the Ewood red carpet for to fleece and make up for it.

Category A++ coming soon and as yet no news about 1875 membership so no chance of a discount for Rovers fans.