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[roversfan99]

But Tottenham year in year out are towards the top of the league, we had just been promoted.

Signing Cole in January and Tugay for a fairly small fee cant really be compared the amount of money that Spurs have spent to assemble that squad.

[Mattyblue]

Not saying it is directly comparable.

However, that squad should’ve been nowhere near the relegation zone, the fact it won a cup and pretty much the same squad came 6th the year after tells you that. But we were down there, that’s football.

End of the day top level football used to be about winning trophies, 7th or 17th, made no difference when half the division weren’t given a European place. A successful, memorable season would be defined by winning things, not another season winning nowt, but finishing 5th.

[roversfan99]

I think though that you can consider it as a more sucessful and memorable season even than say Arsenal, as football is about trophies.

But equally decide that the overall performance in the season doesnt suggest that a manager has demonstrated that he is the man to take them forward.

[Mattyblue]

I’m just being wistful about when football used to be about winning things.

Obviously now it isn’t, in reality if Levy thought he’d have them away from the European spots again he had to go. But for Tottenham fans they’ll remember Bilbao and Ange far more fondly than another season that merged into the next ‘who remembers 2022 when we finished 4th?’.

[chaddyrovers]

33 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I think though that you can consider it as a more sucessful and memorable season even than say Arsenal, as football is about trophies.

But equally decide that the overall performance in the season doesnt suggest that a manager has demonstrated that he is the man to take them forward.

Is it about winning trophies or finish second? 

Would Ange had kept his job if he had finish 8th in the league but no trophy? 

Or did Ange focus on winning a trophy something over league position after being knocked out of league cup and FA cup? 

Wonder if Wigan fans would give up their FA Cup win to stay up in the PL? 

[roversfan99]

18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is it about winning trophies or finish second? 

Would Ange had kept his job if he had finish 8th in the league but no trophy? 

Or did Ange focus on winning a trophy something over league position after being knocked out of league cup and FA cup? 

Wonder if Wigan fans would give up their FA Cup win to stay up in the PL? 

Read my first paragraph again in the post you quoted to see my answer. 

Im pretty sure that you are the one in the past who has endorsed teams resting players in cup competitions.

But that doesnt mean that Ange has proven that he is the best man to take them forward.

Im guessing that you will be hoping for Spurs to get relegated.

[jim mk2]

On 07/06/2025 at 15:09, chaddyrovers said:

Spurs players all singings Ange's praises and saying what a great man he was https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/35301867/spurs-player-revolt-ange-postecoglou-sacking/ Tottenham face player revolt threat after Ange Postecoglou sacking

 

Oh dear Chaddy, got it all wrong again by backing Ange  Becoming a bit of a habit don't you think?

The mystery is why you're bothered about a very unlikeable North London club

 

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Read my first paragraph again in the post you quoted to see my answer. 

Im pretty sure that you are the one in the past who has endorsed teams resting players in cup competitions.

But that doesnt mean that Ange has proven that he is the best man to take them forward.

Im guessing that you will be hoping for Spurs to get relegated.

Didn't answer one single question, what a surprise. 

I would have stick by Ange and back him. Haven't I been more than crystal clear about them. Ange promised he delivered a trophy and he did. A day Spurs fans will never forget and Ange will go down as a hero in Spurs history more than Pochettino or Mourinho will

[oneandycrawford]

16 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Shows how much football has fallen into disrepute that the UEFA Cup is now considered a minor competition.

The whole lot needs to be ripped up and started again.

The UEFA cup was often considered to be the toughest to win due to the fact it had more than one team from the stronger leagues and some of those teams were on the rise at the time.

Of course those teams are now in the Champions League instead!

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[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Didn't answer one single question, what a surprise. 

I would have stick by Ange and back him. Haven't I been more than crystal clear about them. Ange promised he delivered a trophy and he did. A day Spurs fans will never forget and Ange will go down as a hero in Spurs history more than Pochettino or Mourinho will

I specifically said that a trophy makes a more memorable season. Tottenham had a more memorable season than Arsenal and City. It doesnt mean that Ange should then have a guaranteed future at the club and Arteta and Pep shouldnt.

But I also dont think that winning thatt trophy automatically wipes out how badly theyve done across the season in terms of whether Ange is the person to take them on.

Juande Ramos also won a trophy more than Pochettino and co. Im not sure hes remembered too much anymore.

[davulsukur]

Spurs won just 11 premier league games this season. They didn't even make it to 40 points! 

Absolutely a sackable offence for a team that is supposed to be pushing for the top 4 and beyond.

Yes, he won a cup (and a bloody good one) but he couldn't have asked for better opponents in the final, the worst Man Utd team for many a year.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I specifically said that a trophy makes a more memorable season. Tottenham had a more memorable season than Arsenal and City. It doesnt mean that Ange should then have a guaranteed future at the club and Arteta and Pep shouldnt.

But I also dont think that winning thatt trophy automatically wipes out how badly theyve done across the season in terms of whether Ange is the person to take them on.

Ange gave up on the league and his main focus was winning a trophy. He delivered. 

I stand by my original point that in my opinion, Spurs should have stick with Ange. You disagree with me. Spurs fans are split on the issue as are the football pundits   

I leave it there cos nothing is going to change our opinion 

[davulsukur]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ange gave up on the league and his main focus was winning a trophy. He delivered. 

I stand by my original point that in my opinion, Spurs should have stick with Ange. You disagree with me. Spurs fans are split on the issue as are the football pundits   

I leave it there cos nothing is going to change our opinion 

At what point did he give up on the league? Was it the 1 win in 10 between December and January? or the 1 win in 12 between Feb and May? Or the incredibly patchy form after the first 13 games?

Its just a terrible excuse from him.

I'd be a pretty unhappy Spurs fan knowing I've shelled out very good money for a season ticket, only for the manager to give up with the league in December.

Edited 16 hours ago by davulsukur

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

At what point did he give up on the league? Was it the 1 win in 10 between December and January? or the 1 win in 12 between Feb and May? Or the incredibly patchy form after the first 13 games?

Its just a terrible excuse from him.

I'd be a pretty unhappy Spurs fan knowing I've shelled out very good money for a season ticket, only for the manager to give up with the league in December.

and yet he won them a trophy. 🏆

He promised to win a trophy and he did. 

[Hasta]

5 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

At what point did he give up on the league? Was it the 1 win in 10 between December and January? or the 1 win in 12 between Feb and May? Or the incredibly patchy form after the first 13 games?

Its just a terrible excuse from him.

I'd be a pretty unhappy Spurs fan knowing I've shelled out very good money for a season ticket, only for the manager to give up with the league in December.

You beat me to it. In April, focus might have switched a bit to Europe, but they were in the bottom third of the league already by then. 

There’s very little evidence to back up that they gave up on the league.

Edited 16 hours ago by Hasta

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

At what point did he give up on the league? Was it the 1 win in 10 between December and January? or the 1 win in 12 between Feb and May? Or the incredibly patchy form after the first 13 games?

Its just a terrible excuse from him.

I'd be a pretty unhappy Spurs fan knowing I've shelled out very good money for a season ticket, only for the manager to give up with the league in December.

Exactly, you surely cant just absolve yourself of any responsibility in the league.

Trophies are more important than anything so I do think that their season has to be seen as more successful and more memorable than the 16 years (?) prior. 

That being said, merely just winning that trophy doesnt automatically mean that he must be the manager best placed to go forward. Its not even as if they finished 9th or 10th and won a cup where there might be an argument to justify keeping him, a team who more often than not finishes in the top 6 finished 17th, thats not a minor underperformance. The league is the best barometer when deciding and they did pathetically, humiliatingly badly. The cup win doesnt mean that he is going to repeatedly win trophies either, they wont be in that competition for a start but cups unlike leagues are much more influenced by luck.

I think him going benefits everyone. The fans will forget how shockingly badly they did in the league and he can go as a hero with a big pay out, and the club can potentially get someone to get the players performing on a far more consistent basis in line with where they should be at based on the squad and resources.

[Upside Down]

You can give up on the league in December when the three relegated teams are already confirmed in November. 

Last season was the most pathetic season of football there has ever been. So boring, so predictable, such low quality from top to bottom. And I'm not just talking about the premier league there, that's across the whole of Europe at minimum. 

Just another glaring example of how selling off your culture to billionaires and multinational conglomerates leads to nothing other than an end product that is at best mediocre and completely toxic at the worst whilst also being massively overpriced and overhyped.

[Upside Down]

Just saw earlier that Uriah Rennie has died at the age of 65. 

Quite saddened and shocked by that to be honest.

Along with being a referee he was a martial arts black belt I believe.

He was a shit ref though.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Upside Down

[47er]

1 hour ago, Upside Down said:

Along with being a referee he was a martial arts black belt I believe.

He was a shit ref though.

 

But nobody dared to tell him!

[davulsukur]

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

and yet he won them a trophy. 🏆

He promised to win a trophy and he did. 

Did he promise to have the lowest points per game ratio of any of the last 5 Spurs managers, despite being the 3rd highest net spenders in the league for the last 2 seasons? Or that they'd be a defensive shambles, conceding the 2nd highest amount of goals for any team outside the bottom 3?

Ultimately, Spurs have been dismal in the league all season, his excuse of giving up on the league doesn't wash because they were poor from the off. It's just a weak excuse to cover his failings in the League. Most of the season Spurs fans have been calling for his head.

If all he wants is to win trophies in tournament football, he'd probably be better suited to International management. He's a poor Premier League manager, obviously the Spurs board/chairman are looking at the bigger picture and not just focusing on the trophy win as a reason to keep him on again. Their Premier League campaign was embarrassing.

Like Ten Hag at Utd, the Trophy win just papers over the cracks.

[JPTSwindon]

15 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Spurs won just 11 premier league games this season. They didn't even make it to 40 points! 

Absolutely a sackable offence for a team that is supposed to be pushing for the top 4 and beyond.

Yes, he won a cup (and a bloody good one) but he couldn't have asked for better opponents in the final, the worst Man Utd team for many a year.

Yes - 22 league defeats, which in every other season of the PL would have seen them relegated.

[Mattyblue]

Not anymore as you don’t need anywhere near 40 points due to the promoted three increasingly being a mile off PL quality.

[Upside Down]

32 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Not anymore as you don’t need anywhere near 40 points due to the promoted three increasingly being a mile off PL quality.

Yet they're so far ahead of the teams in the division below.

[chaddyrovers]

59 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Did he promise to have the lowest points per game ratio of any of the last 5 Spurs managers, despite being the 3rd highest net spenders in the league for the last 2 seasons? Or that they'd be a defensive shambles, conceding the 2nd highest amount of goals for any team outside the bottom 3?

Ultimately, Spurs have been dismal in the league all season, his excuse of giving up on the league doesn't wash because they were poor from the off. It's just a weak excuse to cover his failings in the League. Most of the season Spurs fans have been calling for his head.

If all he wants is to win trophies in tournament football, he'd probably be better suited to International management. He's a poor Premier League manager, obviously the Spurs board/chairman are looking at the bigger picture and not just focusing on the trophy win as a reason to keep him on again. Their Premier League campaign was embarrassing.

Like Ten Hag at Utd, the Trophy win just papers over the cracks.

I would take winning a trophy and poor league campaign. Plus also got Champions league football cos of that trophy. 

How many Wigan fans would swapped their FA cup trophy for staying up in the Premier League? Bet not many. 

Plenty of Spurs fans wanted him to stay. Plenty of complementary videos on Ange bring a trophy to Spurs. Some fans want a change of course As I would expect. 

Q

[davulsukur]

50 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I would take winning a trophy and poor league campaign. Plus also got Champions league football cos of that trophy. 

How many Wigan fans would swapped their FA cup trophy for staying up in the Premier League? Bet not many. 

Plenty of Spurs fans wanted him to stay. Plenty of complementary videos on Ange bring a trophy to Spurs. Some fans want a change of course As I would expect. 

Q

Yes, they want him to stay now but they were calling for his head for the majority of the season.

Wigan is a different situation entirely, as they weren't expecting to be battling it out at the top of the Premier League. Of course they would take a trophy and relegation because it was the only chance of winning a trophy for a long time and they would be battling relegation anyway.

Spurs are supposedly a big club, so the media constantly tells us, and so should be battling it out at the top and winning trophies.

The bigger picture is, that he looks to be a poor manager despite the trophy win. They've backed him with good money and he's delivered a much needed trophy for the club but taking everything into account, the performances in the Premier League were horrific and it's been a huge factor in his dismissal.

Would he have written the league off again from day 1 in order to try and win a trophy in a cup competition? Why bother with a season ticket when you know the manager isn't giving it any serious consideration?

Incidentally, had he not beaten the worst Man Utd team for 30 years and was sacked, no one would be batting an eyelid about his dismissal. 

Edited 1 hour ago by davulsukur