Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[JHRover]

Who decided to appoint Gestede and why?

What qualification or experience did that person(s) have to make that hugely important call?

What qualification or experience did Gestede have to earn him a crack at running things?

Decisions that are likely to cost the club its league status, thousands of fans and millions of pounds.

I think it requires a bit more than a shrug and 'it is what it is'

[Tomphil2]

As time goes on it's obvious he was installed in here by someone for some purpose other than work experience.

We've been gaslit yet again by this bunch of frauds and liars.

[allanncd]

2 hours ago, alex l said:

Arguably VI has had it worse in a way - they sold/lost half of his starting team in one window and brought in the calibre of de neve, Sidnei and henriksson, plus a lad who would miss a third of the season. JDT and JE didn't face that level of mismanagement. 

Tavares, Henriksson and DeNeve are among the worst-ever signings at this club. Total cost about £3m (supposedly).None of them offer anything whatsoever at this level and wouldn't look out of place in L2. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, alex l said:

Arguably VI has had it worse in a way - they sold/lost half of his starting team in one window and brought in the calibre of de neve, Sidnei and henriksson, plus a lad who would miss a third of the season. JDT and JE didn't face that level of mismanagement. 

That's absolute nonsense imo.

They're his players!

He knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed up for the "transition".

He has never stopped harping on about how "aligned" everyone is, and dressed the whole charade up as him personally wanting to bring in stronger more athletic players or some such shite.

[RevidgeBlue]

46 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

As time goes on it's obvious he was installed in here by someone for some purpose other than work experience.

We've been gaslit yet again by this bunch of frauds and liars.

St. Steven's protege.

Bless.

Can you imagine the sort of person you'd have to be to trail around after Waggott every day and learn from him?

[rigger]

11 hours ago, desrover said:

As they have always done! Dividing the fans is not the solution! 

The fans have been divided for the past 15 years. Perhaps it is time for the minority, to join with the majority.

[DE.]

I have zero sympathy for VI in terms of the position he's in. He knew the score when he arrived. Same with Eustace, for the record. JDT had made it publicly known he'd been messed about and not even allowed to resign. The only difference being that Eustace took us on as a calculated risk and made sure there was a release clause in his contract as an escape route. He had confidence he'd be able to do well enough in the meantime to generate interest and fair play to him, it worked. 

I doubt Ismael is in the same position, in any respect. He's likely stuck here. He'd have known what he was getting into though. He'll just have to deal with it I'm afraid. 

[Tomphil2]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

St. Steven's protege.

Bless.

Can you imagine the sort of person you'd have to be to trail around after Waggott every day and learn from him?

One with an eye on his seat whose real intentions were to stab him in the back first opportunity and get rid.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, DE. said:

I have zero sympathy for VI in terms of the position he's in. He knew the score when he arrived. Same with Eustace, for the record. JDT had made it publicly known he'd been messed about and not even allowed to resign. The only difference being that Eustace took us on as a calculated risk and made sure there was a release clause in his contract as an escape route. He had confidence he'd be able to do well enough in the meantime to generate interest and fair play to him, it worked. 

I doubt Ismael is in the same position, in any respect. He's likely stuck here. He'd have known what he was getting into though. He'll just have to deal with it I'm afraid. 

And in the meantime he'll have to console himself by picking up his £600k p.a.

My nose bleeds for him.

I dont think you can compare JDT/Eustace and him at all personally.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

One with an eye on his seat whose real intentions were to stab him in the back first opportunity and get rid.

 

Not a fan of Gestede by any means but how did he stab Waggott in the back? 

[Waggy76]

20 minutes ago, allanncd said:

Tavares, Henriksson and DeNeve are among the worst-ever signings at this club. Total cost about £3m (supposedly).None of them offer anything whatsoever at this level and wouldn't look out of place in L2. 

McLaughlin and Miller are not much better !

[G Somerset Rover]

Just now, Waggy76 said:

McLaughlin and Miller are not much better !

McLaughlin seems better at attacking balls in the opposition box rather than our own!

[DE.]

12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

And in the meantime he'll have to console himself by picking up his £600k p.a.

My nose bleeds for him.

I dont think you can compare JDT/Eustace and him at all personally.

JDT will have looked at Mowbray's tenure and thought if I can have that time and manage to get some of that backing I can achieve something. The club seemingly agreed to his "project" at the beginning, so whilst I wouldn't have trusted the club to deliver, I can understand why he thought he might be able to do something here.

Eustace knew what he was walking into and had an escape plan. Much like Lambert, he made sure he had a way to get out if all wasn't as it seemed. I think he believed the squad was good enough for him to do a decent job, and if things looked like they were heading south he could jump before the ship sank. There were risks involved, especially if he couldn't get the team into a decent position, but he did a good job and therefore had the interest needed from elsewhere to get away in time. 

Ismael also knew what he was walking into, but likely didn't have the leverage to negotiate a release clause. Maybe he does have one, but I'd be surprised. He's only comparable with Eustace in the sense they both knew what they were getting into. I agree that their situations are completely different otherwise. 

Edited 8 hours ago by DE.

[Tomphil2]

9 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Not a fan of Gestede by any means but how did he stab Waggott in the back? 

Pretty much all the rumours stated it was him and Suhail power struggling with Waggot.

Rather odd five mins after a lad has supposedly just turned up to shadow him around and learn his job.

[sharpysharps86]

3 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Pretty much all the rumours stated it was him and Suhail power struggling with Waggot.

Rather odd five mins after a lad has supposedly just turned up to shadow him around and learn his job.

What a power struggle that is.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its was always going to be overseas appointment after Eustace cos that's was direction of travel in terms of transfers.

Final 2 choices were Ismael and Wagner. Would things been different if we appoint Wagner instead

The "direction of travel" was to get someone in who willingly will accept cheap crap from poor foreign leagues, selected by a novice, to replace key players purely to get the wage bill down.

Whatever happened to just appointing the best manager available and recruiting based on what he wants.

Wagner seemed to be just a rumour. Whoever we appointed was probably doomed to failure although he cant have done much worse than Ismael.

[KentExile]

17 minutes ago, G Somerset Rover said:

McLaughlin seems better at attacking balls in the opposition box rather than our own!

His goal record in this country suggests he is equally bad in both boxes

[roversfan99]

18 minutes ago, G Somerset Rover said:

McLaughlin seems better at attacking balls in the opposition box rather than our own!

And considering he has never scored a single goal at this level, thats say a lot.

[KentExile]

28 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

One with an eye on his seat whose real intentions were to stab him in the back first opportunity and get rid.

 

Gives off the aura odour of Kean

[G Somerset Rover]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And considering he has never scored a single goal at this level, thats say a lot.

Indeed. He’s the opposite of what Danny Batth used to give us. Real authority and presence at the back.

Little wonder Hull used to shunt him to left back or not in the team at all.

Edited 8 hours ago by G Somerset Rover

[RevidgeBlue]

11 hours ago, J*B said:

They will almost certainly hire a worse manager. 

To be fair you'd have to go some to achieve that.

Worst home record in the Club's 150 year history.

One win, three draws and six losses.

To update a stat I looked up recently,  we've STILL only led for about 76 mins of those 900 mins of normal time at Ewood. And people wonder why the atmosphere is bad at Ewood and why attendances are now dropping like a stone!

20 goals in 20 games overall.

We've only scored twice in four out of those twenty games.

Dire doesn't really do it justice. 

 

[desrover]

56 minutes ago, rigger said:

The fans have been divided for the past 15 years. Perhaps it is time for the minority, to join with the majority.

That's not what Rovers fans have been good at doing over the last 15 years. This is starting to be debated here and on other threads. Something needs to be done though as we can all see the decline at Rovers in every area!

[Jimmy612]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

That's absolute nonsense imo.

They're his players!

He knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed up for the "transition".

He has never stopped harping on about how "aligned" everyone is, and dressed the whole charade up as him personally wanting to bring in stronger more athletic players or some such shite.

Totally agree. It’s widely known that Eustace almost walked last summer, seemingly before Waggott decided we couldn’t afford that to happen and brought in some players that JE wanted. 
 

Ismael has been totally aligned with this summer’s business, helping the process along with his media duties and portraying the departures of key players as inevitabilities, not the clubs fault etc. I can’t be arsed going back through the summer articles, but he threw Trav under the bus, and did that internal interview after the Hyam debacle and defended the clubs decision. 
 

He’s culpable, and just like the playing squad, is a downgrade on last season. The difference between him and Eustace/JDT is that he’s probably drinking in the last chance saloon managerially, and will be aware he won’t get another job at this level, certainly won’t walk in to one like the previous pair. So, a bit like Coyle he’ll limp on and try to make a silk purse out of the sows ear he was absolutely complicit in purchasing. 

[chaddyrovers]

56 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The "direction of travel" was to get someone in who willingly will accept cheap crap from poor foreign leagues, selected by a novice, to replace key players purely to get the wage bill down.

Whatever happened to just appointing the best manager available and recruiting based on what he wants.

Wagner seemed to be just a rumour. Whoever we appointed was probably doomed to failure although he cant have done much worse than Ismael.

you clearly don't understand how players are scouting and chosen to be signing. No -way did Gestede selected the players but as you seen with Ismael wanting Morishita and Baradji. So that point is wrong. 

Yet again, its feel like we are again back about selecting a head coach appointment that's fits into how your transfer business would be or a head coach who is a good and proven at youth development, etc. That's how most clubs select their head coaches. 

on Wagner, its was reported he was the final list. Do you have anything to say this wasn't the case? 

[Tomphil2]

It's a sign of the times and state of the club for any gaffer.

Remember TM saying players are young ambitious, short career, have families and mortgages so if we can't give them what they want he's not standing in the way of them seeking it elsewhere.

He just had a more subtle way of explaining it whereas now they are portrayed as greedy, wanting to live nearer to somewhere or just wanting to leave for no apparent reason.