2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[RoyWegerlesLeftToe]

8 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Hard to argue with facts, although I'm sure that some absolute lemons will give it a good go.

It would be good to see the other side too such as ongoing expenses, wages and running costs. Wages to revenue figures etc. 

Seems a bit harsh to call people absolute lemons just because they want to see the club run prudently (i.e. Not need the Venky input at all). 

 

[KentExile]

39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its only Ribeiro as a first teamer (and even he was a weird short term deal that then got extended) out of any of our players that have signed new contracts over the last 2 seasons.

That is the fact. Go off on all the tangents you like to try and justify it, but that is not normal.

Brittain, Travis, Dolan, Batth, Hyam, Weimann. And Tronstad also unsigned. But yes, just 3.

I would hazard a guess that Ribeiros extension was triggered due to games/minutes played, rather than we negotiated a new contract with him

 

He signed for Rovers 3rd Feb

He then started in in 9 out of 10 games

Before his extended contract was announced 3rd April

 

The "9 out of 10 games part" (90% of available minutes), right before signing his extension, just has the feel of an extension being triggered, rather than a new deal being negotiated

Edited 5 hours ago by KentExile

[MarkBRFC]

15 minutes ago, KentExile said:

The "9 out of 10 games part" (which may also be X% of available minutes, or something similar), right before signing his extension, just has the feel of an extension being triggered, rather than a new deal being negotiated

History tells us that they don't want, or know how to renegotiate current contracts, so I fully believe this to be the case.

[GHD]

2 hours ago, NeilInBristol said:

Excellent post

Scary stuff 

 

“We've been relegated on the last two occasions when our centerback pairing has been sold (Jones/Samba back in season 11/12, Hanley/Duffy back in season 16/17). During this summer, we've lost Hyam/Batth. Hopefully, history won't repeat itself for a third time...”

 

 

 

 

Also Hendry was sold in 1998

[chaddyrovers]

58 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its only Ribeiro as a first teamer (and even he was a weird short term deal that then got extended) out of any of our players that have signed new contracts over the last 2 seasons.

do you think I don't already know this??? 

58 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That is the fact. Go off on all the tangents you like to try and justify it, but that is not normal.

Brittain, Travis, Dolan, Batth, Hyam, Weimann. And Tronstad also unsigned. But yes, just 3.

you are obsess and fixation on this issue. 

Dolan was never signing a new contract here. 

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its 3 players who have left this summer. Dolan was always going. We have recoup around 9/10 million pounds for those 3 players. 

So if I making making assumptions on wage demands then surely it yourself blaming Rovers and totally and utter resolving the players or agents off any blame 

So its quite clear we have a limit on what we will pay and we won't pay above that. 

you complain about us not paying enough then in other topic you complain about players taking all the money out of game and fans being ignored

I'm not the one who complained about Ismael answering the question directly and proper instead of not. He did that with the Brittain situation and he was the Travis situation. He is straight to the point and doesn't sugar coated situation. 

Pears situation? what is the situation? please tell us all

full defence of what? 

I have said Rovers were wrong to sell Hyam so late and without any form of proper replacement. Had Rovers sold Hyam and then brought in a replacement like Callum Chambers or Mattie Pollock then none of this would be a debate 

Wow.

Para 1)

Pretending Dolan doesnt count as a player who refused to sign a new deal this summer. Classy. You yourself said you would have offered to put Dolan into our top bracket of earners on £15 k p.w. which clearly never happened

Para 2)

You can insist it's all down to greedy players/agents if you like but in the last few seasons we've seen at varying levels Rothwell/Lenihan/Nyambe/Brereton/Dolan/Travis/Brittain/Hyam/Batth and Weimann all refuse to commit to new deals. That's if they were ever offered anything at all. Just the odd ten players. And driven out two great Head Coaches in the process.

Never the Club's fault, always the greedy players huh?

Para 3)

It's useless setting a wage cap if it's too low for the Division we are in

Para 5)

The Pears "situation" appears to be that he's been completely frozen out therefore we're paying him good money for absolutely nothing. Seems to be acknowledged by Jackson at the LT. Are you denying that's the case?

Para 6)

We didn't bring in a Hyam replacement so thats why there is debate. No point saying "it would have been ok if we'd done X,Y or Z".

We didn't!

Edited 4 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[joey_big_nose]

14 hours ago, BRFC. said:

“Past mistakes” Gueye, Ohashi, Toth, McLoughlin, Ribeiro, Cantwell and Kargbo’s will all have a year left by next season

Yeah - the question that needs to be asked is what is the advantage for any of those players to extend their contract? Why does anyone extend their contract with an employer?

1) You are offered more money (we have only done that recently when it is guaranteed we will attract big fees for the player e.g.  Wharton, Szmodics)

2) You maybe don't get more money, but you buy into the long term vision of the employer and feel a valued part of a longer term plan where you can see how you grow and you enjoy your work. The way we operate completely and utterly undermines this.

For all those players, especially with the well worn path to free transfer / sale mapped out from Lenihan and BBD to Travis and Dolan, why on earth would you commit early? Just wait to get to the end of your contract and look for a better option. 

The reason it's so important to get rid of venkys is while we may be in an even worse position in terms of money (although it's getting to the point now I am wondering about that), we can go some way to mitigating that through having good long term planning and operating like a somewhere with a vision and a good place to work longer term.

[RevidgeBlue]

13 hours ago, London blue said:

Signing cheap players on comparatively low contracts does not disprove that. We HAD to sign players or we wouldn't have been able to fill the bench.

Nail,hammer, head.

For all the praise in certain quarters about "spending £12m" or "spending "£4m -£5m over the transfer budget" it had to be done simply so we could put a vaguely competitive looking side out**

The transfer business this summer was about desperately trying to plug some of the holes left by outgoing players for less money.

It wasn't an intentional attempt to improve the squad.  It wasn't a case either of us selling one player for a huge sum and then being in a position to spend a fraction of that on a replacement and pocket the rest like when Wharton or even Szmodics were sold.

**Sadly, probably not competitive enough.

[bluebruce]

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

do you think I don't already know this??? 

you are obsess and fixation on this issue. 

Dolan was never signing a new contract here. 

 

 

He's repeating it because he's right. You must know he is. Why not just accept it's completely unacceptable to be this bad at contract renewals for so long? We can discuss individual circumstances til the cows come home, and some maybnot have been renewable realistically, but no properly functioning club does this badly with so many contract renewals. It's not really up for debate, it's only possible for it to be rank incompetence or excessive cost cutting.

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Wow.

Para 1)

Pretending Dolan doesnt count as a player who refused to sign a new deal this summer. Classy. You yourself said you made have offered to put Dolan into our top bracket of earners on £15 k p.w. which clearly never happened

Yes I know what I said thanks but I also that Dolan wasn't ever going to say and that was 19 months when GB tried to get him to sign a new contract and was stonewall

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Para 2)

You can insist it's all down to greedy players/agents if you like but in the last few seasons we've seen at varying levels Rothwell/Lenihan/Nyambe/Brereton/Dolan/Travis/Brittain/Hyam/Batth and Weimann all refuse to commit to new deals. That's if they were ever offered anything at all. Just the odd ten players. And driven out two great Head Coaches in the process.

Never the Club's fault, always the greedy players huh?

I never said players were greedy did I? yet again, making up points to suit your own opinion. 

two great head coaches? abit over the top here with the word great? Great managers of Rovers are former managers like Sir Kenny Dalglish or Graeme Souness or Mark Hughes not John Eustace or JDT

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Para 3)

It's useless setting a wage cap if it's too low for the Division we are in

a division we were have been in the playoff hunt in the 3 seasons out of 4. 

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Para 5)

The Pears "situation" appears to be that he's been completely frozen out therefore we're paying him good money for absolutely nothing. Seems to be acknowledged by Jackson at the LT. Are you denying that's the case?

I would suggested Rev, that you actually look at what I have posted about that, cos I have said something has clearly happened behind the scenes since the players came back from pre season, something I said repeatably 

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Para 6)

We didn't bring in a Hyam replacement so thats why there is debate. No point saying "it would have been ok if we'd done X,Y or Z".

We didn't!

which is what I said last week Rev and over the weekend

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

He's repeating it because he's right. You must know he is. Why not just accept it's completely unacceptable to be this bad at contract renewals for so long? We can discuss individual circumstances til the cows come home, and some maybnot have been renewable realistically, but no properly functioning club does this badly with so many contract renewals. It's not really up for debate, it's only possible for it to be rank incompetence or excessive cost cutting.

made more than enough comments over the contract situations over certain players but I know which players have signed new contracts and haven't. 

[RevidgeBlue]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

two great head coaches? abit over the top here with the word great? Great managers of Rovers are former managers like Sir Kenny Dalglish or Graeme Souness or Mark Hughes not John Eustace or JDT

I think they were "great" for the Club at the time given the financial restrictions they had to work under.

And they produced two out of the three playoff chasing seasons you seem so proud of elsewhere in your post!

[MarkBRFC]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

made more than enough comments over the contract situations over certain players but I know which players have signed new contracts and haven't. 

Who has signed one?!

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Who has signed one?!

 

Edited 4 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[MarkBRFC]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Predictable!

Anyone else since December 2023?!

[RevidgeBlue]

16 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Predictable!

Anyone else since December 2023?!

Who's the other one, Goddard?

So one 18 year old kid who's miles off the first team and a guy who was only on a short term deal until the end of the season originally. And who's a clear downgrade on the guy he replaced.

(Not having a go at you)

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

 

Para 3)

It's useless setting a wage cap if it's too low for the Division we are in

 

Well…there’s a way to resolve that…👀

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Who's the other one, Goddard?

So one 18 year old kid who's miles off the first team and a guy who was only on a short term deal until the end of the season originally. And who's a clear downgrade on the guy he replaced.

(Not having a go at you)

There's been a few like Goddard, Michelsi, Batty etc who have signed new deals but it's a stretch to call any of those a first team player.

No doubt the ones who point out Riberio signing a "new deal" which I don't think was as @KentExile said, will also point out Forshaw too.

I predict the next player to sign a long term "renewal" here will be Montgomery.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

There's been a few like Goddard, Michelsi, Batty etc who have signed new deals but it's a stretch to call any of those a first team player.

No doubt the ones who point out Riberio signing a "new deal" which I don't think was as @KentExile said, will also point out Forshaw too.

I predict the next player to sign a long term "renewal" here will be Montgomery.

Ah yes, Forshaw who's mysteriously vanished off the face of the earth.

What a good signing that was.

Bet he's great around the dressing -  I mean - treatment room

[Mercer]

15 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I predict the next player to sign a long term "renewal" here will be Montgomery.

I hope not.

One of the most over-hyped young players we've had.

Think Chorley is his level.

Jason feckin Lowe was worth 10 of Montgomery - that's how poor Montgomery is.

[MarkBRFC]

2 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I hope not.

One of the most over-hyped young players we've had.

Think Chorley is his level.

Jason feckin Lowe was worth 10 of Montgomery - that's how poor Montgomery is.

Fully agree, he's miles off it. Which is why it will probably happen.

Nice, cheap and easy. And one they can point at saying "look we can get new contracts signed".

Kristi Montgomery is committed, are YOU?

Edited 3 hours ago by MarkBRFC

[Emerald Isle Rover]

28 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Who's the other one, Goddard?

So one 18 year old kid who's miles off the first team and a guy who was only on a short term deal until the end of the season originally. And who's a clear downgrade on the guy he replaced.

(Not having a go at you)

Is much rather a fit left back than one who is o hired all the time 

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

made more than enough comments over the contract situations over certain players but I know which players have signed new contracts and haven't. 

You haven't responded to what I said. Why won't you acknowledge there is a systemic problem at the club with renewing deals and it isn't acceptable? I'm not talking about individual deals, I'm talking about the very clear pattern. We all are. You seem to be the only one who isn't seeing/acknowledging it. Instead you keep resorting to trying to justify each fuckup.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Just now, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Is much rather a fit left back than one who is o hired all the time 

I’d much rather a fit left back than one who is injured all of the time 

[RevidgeBlue]

33 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Well…there’s a way to resolve that…👀

Yep.

Then you lose the Championship TV money and it's "How can we possibly compete with the "Boltons" or "Bradford's" of the Division.

Rinse and repeat.