January Transfer Needs

[Emerald Isle Rover]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nicko confirmed just now, we want striker and we have targets in mind. 

We still need another centre back cos we cant rely on Carter. My preference would a right footed. 

Maybe they will use Miller more as wing back now going forward. Plus can we rely on Carter fitness? No we cant. 

We will bring a striker in. We have targets as Nicko has said today. 

That’s good the point being the striker should be the first active target through the door 

[joey_big_nose]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

A few people have mentioned that O'Riordan back from on loan would be sufficient.

What makes people think he is the answer?

I suppose Pratt and Litherland have hugely exceeded expectations, so the same logic applied to O'Riordan.

I know this is a logical fallacy, but then again if you phrased the question as "who would perform better out of O'Riordan or veteran/unknown overseas recruit" its a very hard one to call.

I suppose we can recall him Jan 1st and see how he does.

[joey_big_nose]

23 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said:

Genuinely who will come to us? 

Say we need a striker - any in the top half of league one will probably look at us and think no chance. So then we look to the lower league one sides which then begs the question are they any good? Get a prem loan in - lightweight, no relegation battle experience recipe for disaster. Do you look at the SPL? SPL is on the up and most strikers will not move to a relegation threatened champ team. Abroad? no one from any of the top 6 leagues. Okay we will go further abroad eastern Europe perhaps? or a rogue hidden gem? Have been tracking a few that could work, in the fact they can absolutely hit the target. 

 

Aljosa Matko - Ujpest (Hungarian top flight sit 8th out of 12) has 11 goals in 18. 62 in last 4 seasons.

Brayan Muniz - Indepente Medillin (Colombian top flight side) 29 goals in last 2 years.

Bissoli - Buriram United (Thai premier league usually top or there abouts) 64 goals in last 2 years.

 Stefan Sigurdsson - Sandefjord (5th in Norway top flight last year so missed out on Europe I believe) 15 in 27

 

 

Yeah - I think Dennis, Woodrow etc teaches us we are much better to get someone hungry as opposed to players who have completely checked out.

Id go for someone with a good scoring record in a lower division than a poor scoring record in a higher one.

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

That’s good the point being the striker should be the first active target through the door 

We can chase more than one player at a time. Im sure we are 

[TheKitGuy]

6 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Yeah - I think Dennis, Woodrow etc teaches us we are much better to get someone hungry as opposed to players who have completely checked out.

Id go for someone with a good scoring record in a lower division than a poor scoring record in a higher one.

Exactly someone who can hit the target hence why I handpicked those strikers from around the world. Not great teams etc but players who score for a living. 

[Theaxe15]

7 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Yeah - I think Dennis, Woodrow etc teaches us we are much better to get someone hungry as opposed to players who have completely checked out.

Id go for someone with a good scoring record in a lower division than a poor scoring record in a higher one.

Tolaj at Plymouth is having a good season despite them being absolutely awful, would fit that mould

[KentExile]

4 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

Tolaj at Plymouth is having a good season despite them being absolutely awful, would fit that mould

already played for 2 teams this season, so cant move again until summer

Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile

[Emerald Isle Rover]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We can chase more than one player at a time. Im sure we are 

Your not listening or reading what I’m saying of course we can chase multiple players at one time but the importance of getting a striker in as our first signing is the greatest need

[roversfan99]

5 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

You don’t need to be playing against the best every week at CB as Pratt has demonstrated coming back from loan at Chorley to the Championship. I haven’t watch O’Riordan play this season but he’s getting high praise and seemingly excelling in L1, and the club have recognised and recalled him.

My initial post was about ‘bodies’ because when you look at depth, then I make it 6x CB, including O’Riordan and Pratt once Wharton and Carter are back. With the link to Gibson, it looks like they want 2x additional (including O'riordan) making 7x and I would guess that’s because they don’t trust the fitness of Wharton and Carter.

When you look at the striker situation, with Gueye completely frozen out, they now need 2x just to stay competitive.

The most confusing thing for me is the narrative from VI that this evolution to 352 wasn’t planned. A few of us called it in the summer when we were offloading wingers and signing wingbacks. Signing Andri and keeping Gueye, then stockpiling CM’s.

On a personal note, I saw the formation change coming a mile away and only the sale of Hyam on the final day of the window went against it. If Hyam had stayed, Gueye stayed in favour and Kargbo kicked on, then we’d be 100% built for 352 anyway! It was inevitable. Wonder why VI is spinning that!? 

I dont see how he is spinning it, it makes no sense looking back that there was a plan to move to 352. The way that the squad has been built never suggested that. It very much came across as a temporary move that initially saw an instant improvement in results that Ismael has since stuck to. That improvement hasnt continued consistently but we still seem more balanced in terms of our first 11 than 4231, but its just left the squad looking particularly imbalanced as the squad clearly wasnt recruited for that formation.

Up front, Gueye was never in favour under Ismael, its one judgement call Ismael has got consistently right. Even if Kargbo had kicked on, hes a winger. Gudjohnsen seemed to be recruited as an alternative to Ohashi, Gueye nearly left in the summer.

De Neve, Kargbo and Morishita were all signed to play out wide. 

Miller was clearly initially intended as a right back, otherwise we came into the season having only signed one right wing back. We also signed Ribeiro last January who again doesnt fit into this formation, nor does Pickering who didnt seem to be tried to move on in the summer but now is surplus.

We didnt cover ourselves at centre back even for a back 4, but certainly not for a back 3.

Hopefully O'Riordan comes in and is ready, but he has been playing for a struggling League 1 team. Pratt cant be seen as the norm, its an absolute testament to him that hes slotted in seamlessly having been playing at such a low level. The circumstances were fortunate for him in that Litherland was injured at the time, theres no way the club intended to have him starting games any time soon otherwise he would have been loaned out at such a low level. He clearly wasnt seen as immediately first team standard, and because he was at such a low level, it made it possible to recall him as opposed to O'Riordan. How Pratt has done since has been as impressive on his part as no doubt surprising especially to the decision makers at the club.

Theres no point saying we have x options with Wharton and in particular Carter. Cant remotely be relied upon.

[roversfan99]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We can chase more than one player at a time. Im sure we are 

You keep shouting down the suggestion that we will fail to recruit properly based on a series of previous failures.

Yet keep pushing this suggestion as if we are a normal football club and you dont seem to have much doubt that we will recruit properly, and early, and its all in hand.

Also, we dont need one striker. We are massively, massively short. If you are playing 2 you need 4. Not even factoring in the injury to Gudjohnsen.

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

Tolaj at Plymouth is having a good season despite them being absolutely awful, would fit that mould

 

3 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Your not listening or reading what I’m saying of course we can chase multiple players at one time but the importance of getting a striker in as our first signing is the greatest need

Surely you sign your targets when you can. If the Gibson is the one(not my choice) and it could be done so early on, great get it done. Whilst still bringing in a striker who will be sign before the Hull game happy days. Then look to bring maybe attacking/creative player. 

I would be surprised if we look at right wing back or left wing back signing now. 

 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Surely you sign your targets when you can. If the Gibson is the one(not my choice) and it could be done so early on, great get it done. Whilst still bringing in a striker who will be sign before the Hull game happy days. Then look to bring maybe attacking/creative player. 

I would be surprised if we look at right wing back or left wing back signing now. 

 

Val said last week that prep for jan is done they have sat down and there is a list

on that list there should be a striker hopefully two

we should be acting on that list based on priority and the priority requirement for our team at present is goals or lack of. So I’m saying I don’t see how or why we should be looking at an area that’s covered for the time being before what we actually need. If there’s a list drawn up then the first offer for any player out there should be for an attacker it’s not that hard to understand 

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You keep shouting down the suggestion that we will fail to recruit properly based on a series of previous failures.

Yet keep pushing this suggestion as if we are a normal football club and you dont seem to have much doubt that we will recruit properly, and early, and its all in hand.

Also, we dont need one striker. We are massively, massively short. If you are playing 2 you need 4. Not even factoring in the injury to Gudjohnsen.

I don't shout down anyone. I give my thoughts and opinions. 

Its yourself who shouts everything down. 

You want to overhaul the squad by getting rid of 6 or 7 and signing 6 or 7. Never going to happen in January window. Maybe stick to reality. We want 3 or 4 whilst players like Gueye, Garrett, Tyjon, Maybe Ribeiro and De Neve will go aswell. Hopefully Carter as well

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't shout down anyone. I give my thoughts and opinions. 

Its yourself who shouts everything down. 

You want to overhaul the squad by getting rid of 6 or 7 and signing 6 or 7. Never going to happen in January window. Maybe stick to reality. We want 3 or 4 whilst players like Gueye, Garrett, Tyjon, Maybe Ribeiro and De Neve will go aswell. Hopefully Carter as well

Nobody is going to sign Carter until they’ve seen him play at least a dozen games without him breaking down again. 

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Val said last week that prep for jan is done they have sat down and there is a list

on that list there should be a striker hopefully two

we should be acting on that list based on priority and the priority requirement for our team at present is goals or lack of. So I’m saying I don’t see how or why we should be looking at an area that’s covered for the time being before what we actually need. If there’s a list drawn up then the first offer for any player out there should be for an attacker it’s not that hard to understand 

Yes I know Val did. Nicko has said this morning Rovers have striker targets and they will cost. 

Why cant you look to sign a striker, centre back and another player by putting bids in for all 3 players right now. That's my point. 

Edited 3 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Nobody is going to sign Carter until they’ve seen him play at least a dozen games without him breaking down again. 

I would let him for a free with sell on clause to anyone. Somebody would sign him. Even a club in the Middle East

[47er]

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Nobody is going to sign Carter until they’ve seen him play at least a dozen games without him breaking down again. 

I'd stop at "Nobody's going to sign Carter."

There's only one club which regularly signs crocks and its us!

If he ever does get fit at any point in the future we should keep him.

Edited 3 hours ago by 47er

[KentExile]

13 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Nobody is going to sign Carter until they’ve seen him play at least a dozen games without him breaking down again. 

I could see a League 1 club being willing to take him on loan whilst paying a zero % contribution to his wages, maybe with some sot of bonus payment due to Rovers if he reaches a certain threshold of games etc

Which long term, may make sense, but will absolutely not be done at Rovers due to penny pinching

Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile

[Emerald Isle Rover]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I know Val did. Nicko has said this morning Rovers have striker targets and they will cost. 

Why cant you look to sign a striker, centre back and another player by putting bids in for all 3 players right now. That's my point. 

You can do long as the striker is one of them that’s my point 

[47er]

8 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Val said last week that prep for jan is done they have sat down and there is a list

on that list there should be a striker hopefully two

we should be acting on that list based on priority and the priority requirement for our team at present is goals or lack of. So I’m saying I don’t see how or why we should be looking at an area that’s covered for the time being before what we actually need. If there’s a list drawn up then the first offer for any player out there should be for an attacker it’s not that hard to understand 

We have a list every window and we are linked with good players but they never actually arrive. Be sensible and don't get your hopes up.

[Comfortably numb]

[MarkBRFC]

That Tyjon news shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

It was clear when he didn't sign a deal when he turned 17 that he wasn't going to.

[wilsdenrover]

Major blow feels slightly hypabolic.

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

You can do long as the striker is one of them that’s my point 

Ive said that previously this morning

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Yea major blow is a massive overreach on the article